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  1. Michael Conway

    Director at Quayside Clothing Limited

    05 August 2008 13:06pm

    Michael Conway

    How long in term of visits or conversion do you need to run an A/B test before you know the result of the test.

  2. Denis Kondopoulos

    Technical Project Manager (MBA, MBCS, CITP, CEng) at Naxtech.com

    05 August 2008 14:11pm

    Denis Kondopoulos

    Hi,

    There are no rules written in stone about this.  Some choose to do it for 5% of their total monthly traffic or visitors.  Others base it on a number of days. 

    Given that you know your customers' needs and practices...just base it on what feels right to you, for your business.

    Does that help at all?

    regards,

    Denis
    www.naxtech.com

  3. Michael Conway

    Director at Quayside Clothing Limited

    05 August 2008 14:39pm

    Michael Conway

    Hi Denis

    Thank you for the response.

    I thought there would be a specific calculation that could be done to determine how many visits or conversions were required to get a statistically significant result.

    Michael

  4. Michael Conway

    Director at Quayside Clothing Limited

    05 August 2008 14:39pm

    Michael Conway

    Hi Denis

    Thank you for the response.

    I thought there would be a specific calculation that could be done to determine how many visits or conversions were required to get a statistically significant result.

    Michael

  5. dan barker

    E-Business Consultant at Dan Barker

    05 August 2008 15:16pm

    dan barker

    hi, Michael, if you're worried about statistical significance, a simple technique is to run an A/B/A test. ie: run the split 3 ways, but keep 2 of those groups identical (call them 'A' & 'A2').

    Here're 2 examples to show how this helps you:

    Test 1:

    • group splits: 33% A, 33% B, 33% A2.
    • results: 200 sales A, 250 sales B, 201 sales A2

    0.5% variance between the two 'A' groups gives you confidence

    Test 2:

    • group splits: 33% A, 33% B, 33% A2.
    • results: 200 sales A, 250 sales B, 250 sales A2.

    25% variance between the two 'A' groups means the statistical significance of the test isn't great. On top of that, the difference between the 'A' & 'A2' groups is equal to the difference between A/B. You can't safely make any conclusions based on this result & need to either run the test for longer or rethink it.

    Does this help?

    daniel

  6. Michael Conway

    Director at Quayside Clothing Limited

    05 August 2008 15:28pm

    Michael Conway

    Hi Daniel

    Thank you for the information. 

    I wasn't aware of A/B/A testing. Is this commonly used ?

    Michael

  7. Angel Morales

    Founder at LightsOut Marketing, LLC

    05 August 2008 19:25pm

    Angel Morales

    Duration is entirely dependant on what you are testing. 

    An example?  Email landing pages may only need to test for a few hours (as you are driving considerable traffic).  Testing the color, size, shape, position, text of an add to basket button....the same thing.

    If you are testing very specfic or detailed things...such as copy on your SEO/SEM landing pages by Time of Day; by product/key word...you'll need to test longer for statically relevant results.

    Also consider multi-step process...such a persona modeling - you might start with data application (overtly collected/preference), then you have to wait for a user to come back to the website to test interaction with targeted product or messaging.   

    DANIEL B - GREAT insight on the A/B/A - sounds like you've done this before!

  8. Wyndham Lewis

    Head of Business Development at Harvest Digital

    06 August 2008 14:35pm

    Wyndham Lewis

    You can use this handy calculator to identify how long you need to run the test to acheive an appropriate confidence level which is the best design:

    https://www.google.com/analytics/siteopt/siteopt/help/calculator.html

  9. Angel Morales

    Founder at LightsOut Marketing, LLC

    06 August 2008 15:04pm

    Angel Morales

    REMEMBER - Google site optimizers CORE intent is page content optimization and testing - not process testing or user experience testing ( that invloved more than a page or two, larger "cross session" experience experience testing, segement/persona based optimization. 

    It can be "made" to do all of the above (love the google gods), but the "duration calculator" feels it's more oriented to simple tests.

    On 14:35:06 6 August 2008 tmguys wrote:

    You can use this handy calculator to identify how long you need to run the test to acheive an appropriate confidence level which is the best design:

    https://www.google.com/analytics/siteopt/siteopt/help/calculator.html

  10. Matt Isaacs Enterprise

    Founding Partner & CEO at Essence

    06 August 2008 16:08pm

    Matt Isaacs

    Hi Michael,

    All posts above have sensible advice.  I'm not going to labour the same points but did just want to point out that Google's calculator is an 'estimator' and is designed to help you predict how long a test needs to run for prior to running it.  Worth saying that all of Dennis'  comments earlier are along the same lines - you can't calculate statistical confidence until you have actual test results to go on so by definition anything using number of days, or % of visitors etc. is a 'rule of thumb'

    Once your test is live you can use a real stats test to determine the statistical significance.  That means you can keep plugging your test results into the tests stats until you reach your desired confidence level.  Sadly it is not trivial and I can't point you to an online calculator.  But I do have a spreadsheet which does the calculation.  Feel free to contact me for a copy.

    Incidentally, A/B/A' is indeed a very powerful method for ensuring no bias in your test (i.e. that there are no extraneous factors outside of the A/B design itself that are affecting the result).  It is widely used in scientific circles.  I have to be honest in saying I've rarely seen it used in the online world - but it is definitely a good approach if you can afford the extra time for the extra test element.

    I hope this helps.

    Regards

    Matt
    www.essence-media.com

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