1. Jim O

    Social media guy at CSC

    29 August 2008 10:09am

    Jim O

    What no Campaign Monitor/Mailbuild? Is there any particular reason why they've been left out of this report?

    I've looked at a lot of providers and these guys are the cream of the crop in my experience. Ok, so they're not going to give you the micro-adjustment of Lyris or Axciom, but they're perfect for most applications. The 'CMS style' Mailbuild is a god-send for devolving enewsletter publishing to inexperienced users.

  2. Denis Kondopoulos

    Technical Project Manager (MBA, MBCS, CITP, CEng) at Naxtech.com

    29 August 2008 13:10pm

    Denis Kondopoulos

    I've actually seen a lot of good candidate systems being excluded from reports, in general, but I do not know why this is happening.   Perhaps the authors can explain that to us?

  3. Chris Lake Staff

    Director of Product Development at Econsultancy

    01 September 2008 17:34pm

    Chris Lake

    Hi James,

    Thanks for raising a flag on this. It looks like a good product and I'll personally be checking it out in more detail.

    I guess the main reason for CampaignMonitor not being included is that it is not on the radar, but looking at the company there are other reasons why it might not sit well with our criteria for inclusion, principally that it doesn't have a UK office as far as I can tell.

    Our buyer's guides are UK-specific and a key factor is a UK office, so that UK clients can get the right level of support at a local level. For some technologies this might not be so necessary, but it is for others.

    We use a range of criteria for buyer's guides and try to limit the number of featured vendors to about 20, give or take. They are not intended to be comprehensive, as I don't think a 300+ vendor guide helps anybody (nobody wants to read a 5,000-page report; you can visit our supplier directory to see a wider range of companies). They are meant to help fast track clients towards vendors that we believe are of a suitable quality, based on their technology, service offering, anecdotal evidence, and so on.

    The list of criteria we use can be found at the start of the sample version of the report (as well as the full report), should you wish to check it out in more detail.

    Omission from one of our guides doesn't mean that the technology in any way sucks - we know that there are some great vendors and agencies out there that don't make the cut, and others that slip through the cracks. We do take a widescreen view though and urge companies to make contact if they feel that they merit a place in a future buyer's guide.

    Hope that goes some way towards explaining things.

    Cheers,

    Chris Lake
    Editor in Chief

  4. Jim O

    Social media guy at CSC

    02 September 2008 13:21pm

    Jim O

    Thanks Chris, I appreciate the time and effort that goes into the report. It's been useful in shaping my appreciation of the market place.

    I would like to add that, in my experience, having a UK office is only of real value where there is an installation/hardware element to the service. Campaign Monitor offer very good online support and for our needs (globally distributed offices) that's perfect. I suspect many other UK companies would value quality of support over physical proximity...but I do understand that you need to limit your scope somehow.

    Cheers anyway!

    Jim

    On 17:34:03 1 September 2008 chrisl wrote:

    Hi James,

    Thanks for raising a flag on this. It looks like a good product and I'll personally be checking it out in more detail.

    I guess the main reason for CampaignMonitor not being included is that it is not on the radar, but looking at the company there are other reasons why it might not sit well with our criteria for inclusion, principally that it doesn't have a UK office as far as I can tell.

    Our buyer's guides are UK-specific and a key factor is a UK office, so that UK clients can get the right level of support at a local level. For some technologies this might not be so necessary, but it is for others.

    We use a range of criteria for buyer's guides and try to limit the number of featured vendors to about 20, give or take. They are not intended to be comprehensive, as I don't think a 300+ vendor guide helps anybody (nobody wants to read a 5,000-page report; you can visit our supplier directory to see a wider range of companies). They are meant to help fast track clients towards vendors that we believe are of a suitable quality, based on their technology, service offering, anecdotal evidence, and so on.

    The list of criteria we use can be found at the start of the sample version of the report (as well as the full report), should you wish to check it out in more detail.

    Omission from one of our guides doesn't mean that the technology in any way sucks - we know that there are some great vendors and agencies out there that don't make the cut, and others that slip through the cracks. We do take a widescreen view though and urge companies to make contact if they feel that they merit a place in a future buyer's guide.

    Hope that goes some way towards explaining things.

    Cheers,

    Chris Lake
    Editor in Chief

  5. Chris Lake Staff

    Director of Product Development at Econsultancy

    02 September 2008 13:34pm

    Chris Lake

    Hey James,

    Thanks for the feedback. I agree that a UK office isn't always necessary from a practical perspective, though to some degree it is a statement of intent from a company that it plans to be active over here.

    Anyway, thanks for pointing out Campaign Monitor. It looks like a great tool and ideal for smaller operators / publishers, so I'm going to start using it myself for some other websites that I run ;  )

    Cheers,

    c.

  6. Stephanie Lindsay

    Online Media Buyer at GRP

    10 September 2008 21:42pm

    Stephanie Lindsay

    Hi

    Just one note on Campaign Monitor.  I've looked at using it in the past, however as it is USA based, which means transferring data outside the EU,  this could have data protection issues.  Anyone any more information / insight on this?  As it is a great solution.

    regards

  7. Chris Pointon Silver

    SVP Marketing Technology at MARC USA

    11 September 2008 16:32pm

    Chris Pointon

    Return Path works by giving you a bunch of addresses at various ISPs that they have set up to monitor deliverability. You add these to your lists and they use them to tell you how your emails are performing. As far as I know they don't receive any personal data about your subscribers to provide the service, so I wouldn't expect there to be a data protection issue with using their service. You should check with someone more qualified in the legislation than me for your specific circumstances though.

    Incidentally, my US company provides email services to EU-based companies, and to cover the data protection requirements for transfer of data outside the EU, we are members of the DMA's Safe Harbor Program. If you transfer personal data to any company in the US, make sure they have a Safe Harbor agreement in place.

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