1. Ronnie Lassiaille Bronze

    European Society of Cardiology

    09 May 2006 13:43pm

    Ronnie Lassiaille Dear Ashley,

    Do you have any idea whether URL naming is important in search engine ranking? Your own e-consultancy pages have ASP URLs, which apparently is not very search engine friendly :), but I'm looking for articles/post on the naming of URLs to find out whether they actually also play a role in search engine ranking.

    Would appreciate your help.

    Kind regards,
    Ronnie
  2. Andrew Allfrey Silver

    eTail Optimisation Specialist at Click Funnel Ltd

    09 May 2006 14:33pm

    Andrew Allfrey Yeap URL naming is crucial in terms of SEO and for achieving good rankings for your keyphrases. Try and get your keywords into your URLs as much as possible. If you combine this with good, well conceived Page Titles and  relevant incoming links from authority sites you'll be fine.

    Check out this article on setting up a search engine friendly website structure if you want any further information. Alternatively you'll get lots of information from e-Consultancys own SEO Best Practice Guide

    Andrew Allfrey
    www.e-prominence.co.uk
    Search Engine Optimization Company

    On 13:43:48 9 May 2006 RonnieLassiaille wrote:

     

    Dear Ashley,

    Do you have any idea whether URL naming is important in search engine ranking? Your own e-consultancy pages have ASP URLs, which apparently is not very search engine friendly :), but I'm looking for articles/post on the naming of URLs to find out whether they actually also play a role in search engine ranking.

    Would appreciate your help.

    Kind regards,
    Ronnie

     

  3. Jon Bovard Silver

    eCommerce manager at Identity Direct / Ortega

    09 May 2006 15:40pm

    Jon Bovard I humbly disagree Andrew.

    I think simple URL's are important but Im not convinced that Google et al places much importance on English words in the URL's.

    For example

    http://www.e-consultancy.com/forum/103803-url-naming-rules.html
    would probably rank just as high as 
    http://www.e-consultancy.com/forum/103803.html

    Although I am very happy to be proven wrong on this.



    Admittedly
    http://www.e-consultancy.com/forum/103803-url-naming-rules.html
    is definitely going to rank higher than
    http://www.e-consultancy.com/forum/103803-url-naming-rules.html?query=sdklfhsiofh34989&x=sdifhsdifh&sessionID=34978y9hf934nrh



  4. Andrew Scaife Bronze

    owner at black and white marketing

    10 May 2006 09:18am

    Andrew Scaife It definately me ight be important :-)  Certaingly some of the work I have done with clients suggests that Google and the other major search engine DO like relevant URL's, but the benefits are small.

    It really depends on your situation ... if I was launching a new travel site, and the majority of my competitors for the keyword "travel" that were in the Top 10 of a major SE had that word in their URL, then I would definately do the same.

    Ranking really is more about the number of good quality links to you, clean coding and relevance of overall site, than it is about the URL.

    Hope that helps a little!

    Andrew

    On 13:43:48 9 May 2006 RonnieLassiaille wrote:

     

    Dear Ashley,

    Do you have any idea whether URL naming is important in search engine ranking? Your own e-consultancy pages have ASP URLs, which apparently is not very search engine friendly :), but I'm looking for articles/post on the naming of URLs to find out whether they actually also play a role in search engine ranking.

    Would appreciate your help.

    Kind regards,
    Ronnie

     

  5. Ashley Friedlein Diamond

    CEO at Econsultancy

    10 May 2006 10:21am

    Ashley Friedlein Hi Ronnie

    We have very few URLs with .asp in them I believe? (for example http://www.e-consultancy.com/publications/seo-guide/link-building-strategies.asp). 

    For years we've done the URL rewriting to 'flatten' out URLs.

    In our experience, yes, it is very important to get your URLs correct and consistent.  

    There are plenty of reasons why good URLs are important apart from SEO - read Mike Schinkel's Well Designed URLs are Beautiful!.

    However, from an SEO perspective they are very important (we've found) largely because of keyword relevance / density. Not only it is good to get the keywords into the URL but often people will link to your site using your URL - thus embedding anchor text in their link which uses your keywords. Which is nice.

    Also, we believe we get a slightly higher clickthrough rate on natural search listings where the search string is in the URL - have a look at http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-07,GGLJ:en&q=seo+guide where we come 3rd and 4th. Look at the URL and you'll see the search string bolded.  

    Ashley Friedlein
    CEO, E-consultancy.com

     

     

  6. Daniel Phillips

    Marketing Manager at BuyYourCar.co.uk

    12 May 2006 09:08am

    Daniel Phillips They are two excellent points Ashley.  

    We have done some tests on nicely re-written URLs, and they definitely make a difference.  Probably one of the main reasons is that people linking to you will often use the URL rather than the anchor text you would like them to use, like you said.  Another point worth mentioning, although it's old hat now, is that hypens should be used rather than underscores between words in your URLs.  Google views hyphens as a delimiter between words, where it hasn't looked at underscores in the same way.  Also, a link containing underscores can easily be misread if the link is underlined and someone is writing down the link for later use.

    The second point you mention is also worth considering.  This is where a well crafted meta name description is important.  It's not going to help you rank any higher, but it can make your link more compelling and appear more relevant than other links around it.

    Cheers,

    Daniel


    On 10:21:28 10 May 2006 Ashley wrote:

     

    However, from an SEO perspective they are very important (we've found) largely because of keyword relevance / density. Not only it is good to get the keywords into the URL but often people will link to your site using your URL - thus embedding anchor text in their link which uses your keywords. Which is nice.

    Also, we believe we get a slightly higher clickthrough rate on natural search listings where the search string is in the URL - have a look at http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-07,GGLJ:en&q=seo+guide where we come 3rd and 4th. Look at the URL and you'll see the search string bolded.  


     

     

     

  7. Ashley Friedlein Diamond

    CEO at Econsultancy

    12 May 2006 10:07am

    Ashley Friedlein Hi Daniel

    You are quite right about hyphens being better than underscores. I forgot to mention that but certainly true.

    Ashley
  8. Ronnie Lassiaille Bronze

    European Society of Cardiology

    22 May 2006 15:43pm

    Ronnie Lassiaille Dear all,

    Thank you very much for all these great tips. We use a CMS, which makes it quite difficult to enforce the rules sometimes, but at least this will allow me to write up a little guide. I have the same type on PDF naming: is there any rule on how to name pdfs in a search engine friendly way? 

    Thank you very much,
    Ronnie
  9. Jon Bovard Silver

    eCommerce manager at Identity Direct / Ortega

    22 May 2006 15:56pm

    Jon Bovard as a rule of thumb, name-them-like-this.pdf
    but again, technically speaking, URL name's as simple english will NOT make them more indexable and (arguably) wont rank them any higher than non english simple URL's. There are more important things to focus on from an SEO perspective to achieve good rankings.

    In terms of CMS's and simple URL's -- Check out mod_rewrite as an Apache server plugin, this plugin will allow you to change your URL's to simple english.
    Or if you are using IIS (microsoft) as your CMS server check out an ISAPI filter to achieve the same end result

    jon


    On 15:43:01 22 May 2006 RonnieLassiaille wrote:

     

    Dear all,

    Thank you very much for all these great tips. We use a CMS, which makes it quite difficult to enforce the rules sometimes, but at least this will allow me to write up a little guide. I have the same type on PDF naming: is there any rule on how to name pdfs in a search engine friendly way? 

    Thank you very much,
    Ronnie

     

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