1. Jon Bovard Gold

    Director of eCommerce at A well known Telco

    26 February 2008 09:54am

    Jon Bovard

    Hi

    Companies like Messagelabs and Postini provide inbound and outbound mail filtering for spam, virus, archiving etc.

    They do so by 'sitting in front of' your mail server in the form of MX records.

    Meanwhile, companies like AOL filter spam aggressively by checking the apparent sender domain against the senders IP.

    So if Im sending email from jon@company123.com
    and the IP that appears when you lookup my IP - would normally resolve to mail.company123.com but instead resolves to cluster3.eu.messagelabs.com. or similar.

    I recently had an experience where AOL blocked a domain, and refused to remove the block because the sending IP  did not belong to 'company123'... it belonged to (and resolved to!) messagelabs.

    Surely I cannot be the only one in this boat with Messagelabs, Postini or any other number of mail filtering services?
    I have correctly configured SPF 1&2, SenderID and Domainkeys.

    When i spoke to Messagelabs - I did not get intelligent responses.
    ie. Messagelabs had no clue.

    It seems a fundamental problem and one that it not going to go away?

    Any experiences here?

    cheers
    jon

  2. Marc Munier Gold

    Commercial Director at Pure360

    26 February 2008 14:54pm

    Marc Munier

    Jon

    Couple of thoughts

    Message Labs, Postini  are both pretty decent firms and I doubt they would develop a product with such an obvious flaw. This leads me to believe that they don't intend you to do mass mailings to B2C domains.

    If this is true then your only option (other than employing the services of a company like Pure).....

    Setup a new domain and mail sever without message labs on it, you can then apply domain keys, SPF, sender ID, feedback loops and all the other gubbins. Or if it is possible at your end create a subdomain of your main domain again with the same records.

    Not exactly original thinking on my part but I hope it helps.

    Marc
    Pure
    marc.munier@pure360.com

    On 09:54:57 26 February 2008 JonBov wrote:

    Hi

    Companies like Messagelabs and Postini provide inbound and outbound mail filtering for spam, virus, archiving etc.

    They do so by 'sitting in front of' your mail server in the form of MX records.

    Meanwhile, companies like AOL filter spam aggressively by checking the apparent sender domain against the senders IP.

    So if Im sending email from jon@company123.com
    and the IP that appears when you lookup my IP - would normally resolve to mail.company123.com but instead resolves to cluster3.eu.messagelabs.com. or similar.

    I recently had an experience where AOL blocked a domain, and refused to remove the block because the sending IP  did not belong to 'company123'... it belonged to (and resolved to!) messagelabs.

    Surely I cannot be the only one in this boat with Messagelabs, Postini or any other number of mail filtering services?
    I have correctly configured SPF 1&2, SenderID and Domainkeys.

    When i spoke to Messagelabs - I did not get intelligent responses.
    ie. Messagelabs had no clue.

    It seems a fundamental problem and one that it not going to go away?

    Any experiences here?

    cheers
    jon

  3. Colin Watson

    Director at Watson Hall Ltd

    04 March 2008 17:25pm

    Colin Watson

    Jon

    It also occurs with B2B email.  Try referring your MessageLabs contacts to  http://www.openspf.org/Best_Practices/Forwarding and http://www.openspf.org/SRS

    You may need to partition your outgoing mail into recipient domains that reject solely on failed SPF and those that don't.

    Regards

    Colin Watson
    Technical Director
    Watson Hall Ltd for website security

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