1. Bob Browning

    Retired at Retired

    12 November 2007 13:16pm

    Bob Browning

    I got called out to a meeting with a client on Saturday evening, and it turned out at the bottom of it all was this: They had turned on Verified By Visa a few weeks ago, and on Saturday morning the MD of the company plus the designer tried to make a paid registration and just plain couldn't figure out how to get past the VBV screen. 

    If you have ever tried this you will understand this, as it is a text-book example of bad useability.  Initial indications are that the level of registrations has halved since they switched it on. 

    I know that some firms are being pressurised by their banks to implement VBV but  am very concerned about the effect this will have on business.  A partner company in the US has told me that it has pretty much died over there. 

    Does any else have experience of VBV and any indication of the effect on the level of sales?  

  2. Colin Watson

    Director at Watson Hall Ltd

    15 November 2007 13:12pm

    Colin Watson

    Yes, an article in the Guardian comments on user's concerns rather then 'users prefer VbV sites':

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2007/apr/21/creditcards.debt

    VbV used to use a pop-up window which clearly didn't help and supposedly authentication abandonment was reduced from 20-30% to less than 1% in the US (data from 2004):

    http://forums.ezimerchant.com/showthread.php?t=292

    This US document from 2003 gives some useful information but refers to the pop-up version:

    http://www.neowave.com.my/whitepapers/Cybersource.pdf

    Some more recent comments at:

    http://www.cerias.purdue.edu/weblogs/pmeunier/kudos-opinions-rants/post-91/verified-by-visa-issues/

    The problem stills seems to be with branding and that it looks like it could be a phishing attack to some more security-savvy web users.  Some banks are insisting on it though, so you won't have a choice.

    Colin Watson
    Technical Director
    Watson Hall Ltd Website security
    http://www.watsonhall.com

  3. Ashley Friedlein Staff

    CEO at Econsultancy

    15 November 2007 16:23pm

    Ashley Friedlein

    Certainly a lot of site owners we talk to are very wary of implementing VBV  (3D-Secure, Verified by Visa, and MasterCard Secure Code) because of concerns that it will destroy their conversion rates.

    Most of those who we talk to are holding off for as long as they can. The exceptions perhaps are those sites who already experience higher levels of fraud because they have more of a commercial rationale for pushing this forwards (it shifts the risk).

    We've also done an intial bit of benchmarking to see if those sites who use VBV are getting better deals (lower costs) from their acquiring banks in terms of credit card fees. We don't have enough data to be sure yet, but this doesn't appear to be the case. I think it should be though - you should pay less if you are prepared to inflict VBV on your customers (and on your business).

    Personally, as a web shopper, I hate the VBV bit in the buying process. I've already forgotten my password and can hardly be bothered to try and resurrect it which certainly puts me off sites using VBV if I can buy the same thing elsewhere.

    My sense is we've got past the 'internet is a scary place to shop' phase and almost everyone is comfortable with online banking, paying for things with their card online etc.

    All these extra layers of security, supposedly 'for our benefit',  feel to me more like a way for the banks to protect themselves (and lower their own risk) than to help consumers. The kind of people who are still scared about transacting online (perhaps older customers) wouldn't stand a chance of figuring their way through most systems being put in place "for their benefit".

    To log in to my online banking now I need PINs, cards, about 5 different numbers, memorable this and that, special codes... I'm waiting for the retinal scans. And yet I can't transfer more than £3k online to "protect my security". Yet I can happily fax instructions to someone to transfer my entire bank account elsewhere...

    I think the banks are concerned about themselves, and not their customers, and are way behind in terms of the sort of customer experience they should be offering.

    Rant over...

    Ashley Friedlein
    CEO
    E-consultancy.com

  4. Colin Watson

    Director at Watson Hall Ltd

    15 November 2007 18:30pm

    Colin Watson

    Ashley

    Yes, this is the most important issue.  E-tailers need to consider the bank charges vs. liabilities such as charge backs for fraudulent transactions, especially how these might change with/without VbV etc.  Examine your contracts and negotiate.  If using these schemes can reduce your costs without affecting sales, they should be considered. It will depend upon your risk profile - type of product (e.g. shipping goods or access to electronic services), goods value, sales volume, whether you ship abroad and accept foreign cards - and what level of risk you are willing to accept.

    The argument that if you don't offer, for example, VbV, you will lose customers may not have been shown to be true (yet?).

    Colin Watson
    Technical Director
    Watson Hall Ltd Website security
    http://www.watsonhall.com

  5. Steven Webster

    Head of Ecommerce at Fashion Union

    16 November 2007 09:56am

    Steven Webster

    Hi,

    This is something we have encountered with several of our clients. The lack of understanding/awareness of 3D Secure by the consumer is definitely causing issue for etailers.

    When the banks launched Chip & Pin they undertook a massive awareness campaign. 3D Secure has never been launched to the consumer. Aside from the usability issues of the iframe format, there have been a number of recorded concerns over phishing such as the Guardian article listed above: http://money.guardian.co.uk/creditanddebt/creditcards/story/0,,2062170,00.html

    As a result of this lack of awareness, consumers are definitley dropping out through the checkout process. I've seen various figures for drop outs through the 3D Secure process - ranging from 3% upto 12.5%. Fortunately, there are things that can be done to minimise these rates.

    There are a mix of solutions including method of implementation of 3D Secure, usability design and specific communication tools that have helped address the drop out rate. Sadly though, until awareness of the 3D Secure process is raised among consumers it will continue present another barrier to sales.

    If you'd like to discuss this in more detail, feel free to drop me a line.

    Regards,

    Steve

  6. Ashley Friedlein Staff

    CEO at Econsultancy

    16 November 2007 10:09am

    Ashley Friedlein

    I'm not even clear myself on what this is "called" (3D Secure, VBV etc.) as the card issuers don't appear to have  settled on a name (like Chip & Pin) so the chances of them successfully "marketing" it to users seems slim.

    Also, despite the big awareness campaign around 'Chip & Pin' I doubt many people really think through what this means - all they (need to) know is that now you don't sign for stuff, you give a number instead. So that isn't really any more hassle than it was before.

    With VBV, however, from a customer point of view I think it is trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist in the customers' minds (despite all the scaremongering) AND it makes it harder to transact. I reckon that will be hard to sell.

    Off-forum I got this comment from a retailer in the UK which pretty much sums it up for me:

    "We use a US web company and they had never heard nor seen something like VBV so I think it is more a European thing. Regarding the adoption, Visa and Mastercard will force everyone to comply so it is a matter of time but let others bite the bullet in terms of revenue loss, we will be the last by which time customers will have gotten used to it, we hope."

    Regards

    Ashley Friedlein
    CEO
    E-consultancy.com

  7. Steven Webster

    Head of Ecommerce at Fashion Union

    16 November 2007 10:57am

    Steven Webster

    You're quite right Ashley. This is not a solution to protect consumers, this is to minimise the banks risk. As we are all aware, the success of Chip and Pin in reducing fraud in person has resulted in an upswing in customer not present fraud. 3D Secure is intended to address this. (To clarify terms the technology is 3D Secure - Verified by Visa etc. are the branded versions).

    In all likelihood this will also result in a shift of liability as well. Currently as consumers, we are all pretty well protected against fraudulent activity on our credit cards online. However, once 3D Secure becomes mandatory (and I have no doubt it will) that liability will shift to us. The banks' arguments will be that you (the consumer) must have divulged your password otherwise the fraud couldn't have taken place. There are numerous reports of banks taking a similar approach in cases of chip and pin fraud (when cards have been cloned). It will be down to the consumer to prove that they are a victim of fraud. Not very reassuring as a consumer, is it?

    This is going to be harder to sell to the consumer - but the banks may have already found a way around it. I believe (I'm not absolutely sure) that 3D Secure is now mandatory for Maestro transactions online - so every etailer will find themselves adopting it. I've also been told that the banks are operating a "3 strikes and you're out" policy - if a consumer chooses not to enrol in a 3D Secure programme (as it's presented to them at checkout) three times, then their card will stopped (based loosely on the reasoning that it must then be fraudulent activity).

    My own personal experience of this is that I tried to purchase a fridge freezer online last week and dropped out when presented with the 3D Secure check out (couldn't be bothered going through the registration process and not happy about the liability shift). By the close of the day I had my bank on the phone asking me to verify that the cancelled transaction was genuine.

    It seems to me 3D Secure is something we will be forced to live with. If like your UK retailer we can hold out until everyone else has implemented 3D Secure, then we should be ok; but the reality is that etailers will be forced to use 3D Secure and WILL lose sales through poor implementation and lack of consumer understanding. It's a real risk hoping that you can hold out until everyone else has implemented it.

    Regards,

    Steve Webster (Redeye International)

  8. Rhodri James

    Business Development Manager at The Logic Group

    16 November 2007 20:18pm

    Rhodri James

    One of the issues with 3 D Secure is merchants not taking the time to think about how to integrate the 3 D Secure process into their check out process. Do it poorly and you lose sales, do it well and you will save money, reduce fraud and give your customers a sense of security and trust. 

    The marketing and bank messages around 3 D Secure are admittedly poor however as with all things web based it's about the messaging and communication with the end customer that really matter. 

    Personally I think that Tesco's have done a good job on integrating 3 D secure into their checkout clearly explaining what is happening and maintaining their branding at all time.

    3 D secure is not going to go away  and eventually the customer awareness will build until that point, the merchants implementing it will have to put the work in to make the journey as painless and transparent as possible. 

  9. Bob Browning

    Retired at Retired

    19 November 2007 14:35pm

    Bob Browning

    Actually the case in point (in my original post) was using the WorldPay hosted service.  This is their business; if WorldPay can't get it right how is the poor SME going to?

    Bob

  10. Bob Brinklow

    eCommerce Director at Strangewood Group

    05 December 2007 10:56am

    Bob Brinklow

    Ashley,

    Last year whislt MD of a B2C Dotcom we were receiving revenues exceeding £1m per month and trialed 3D secure. Conversion dropped by as much as 30%! naturally we switched it off straight away. A while back aquiring banks were insisting on compulsary integration in order to accept maestro cards and I see now there seems to be a more relaxed stance. Merchants are holding the cards on this I feel as more players will refuse to sign up.

    It costs enought to aquire customers so why do we want to make the payment process even harder for them, serious e-commerce players have robust fraud screening processes by now for sure.

    VBV integrate at your peril.

    Regards

    Bob Brinklow.

    On 10:09:13 16 November 2007 Ashley wrote:

    I'm not even clear myself on what this is "called" (3D Secure, VBV etc.) as the card issuers don't appear to have  settled on a name (like Chip & Pin) so the chances of them successfully "marketing" it to users seems slim.

    Also, despite the big awareness campaign around 'Chip & Pin' I doubt many people really think through what this means - all they (need to) know is that now you don't sign for stuff, you give a number instead. So that isn't really any more hassle than it was before.

    With VBV, however, from a customer point of view I think it is trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist in the customers' minds (despite all the scaremongering) AND it makes it harder to transact. I reckon that will be hard to sell.

    Off-forum I got this comment from a retailer in the UK which pretty much sums it up for me:

    "We use a US web company and they had never heard nor seen something like VBV so I think it is more a European thing. Regarding the adoption, Visa and Mastercard will force everyone to comply so it is a matter of time but let others bite the bullet in terms of revenue loss, we will be the last by which time customers will have gotten used to it, we hope."

    Regards

    Ashley Friedlein
    CEO
    E-consultancy.com

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