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  1. Robert Nicholson MSc

    Online Marketing Manager at Interxion

    07 April 2009 11:49am

    Robert Nicholson

    Ashley - be carefull when presenting content to users/bots - if its auto IP based you can run into issues with bots as they tend to be US based. So I'd check up on that.

    It doesnt sound like you've been penalized - if you had been you certainly wouldnt rank top for "seo best practice", one thought is whilst you've discounted the migration effect, it could be related to that.

  2. dan barker

    E-Business Consultant at Dan Barker

    07 April 2009 15:01pm

    dan barker

    I just searched & you're no longer showing anywhere in the top 100 for 'seo best practice'. Bad news for econsultancy, good news for Dave Chaffey who is now #1. (could be a blip, but strange to have dropped from 1st to nowhere)

    Just thinking about this one a bit more:

    "1. Adding 'no follow' to our blog comments and forum posts"

    Is it possible that doing that has altered your linking profile to such an extent that the site is being 'reevaluated' by google? when did the change happen?

    Here are 6 more unlikely possibilities:

    1. Perhaps someone's pointed a bunch of links at you from really bad sites.
    2. Google is no longer sure which country you're most relevant for & has shifted you to limbo.
    3. A pair of googlebots have crawled you from different geolocations, noticed you're serving different content to each of them, and nobbled you. As ridiculous as it sounds, you could show them your 'favoured' version of the site (eg. the USA version), rather than showing them different content based on IP.
    4. Gary Barlow, leader of the pop band 'take that', has taken umbrage at your success & has cast a complicated voodoo spell on econsultancy in a supposed act of retribution.
    5. Smaller issue: google has indexed a load of your tags pages. These all show the same meta title/description. Many contain a single post snippet. Could these be flagged as dupe content?
    6. Smaller issue: How are you presenting things to google when these forum threads flow onto 2+ pages?

    Is anything showing up in Google Webmaster Tools?

    dan

  3. Ashley Friedlein Staff

    CEO at Econsultancy

    07 April 2009 15:58pm

    Ashley Friedlein

    @Dan

    I just searched & you're no longer showing anywhere in the top 100 for 'seo best practice'.

    Oh great...! If you look through the results then any human could clearly tell you this just isn't right? A bunch of low-ish quality sites who link to us as the source content and we're nowhere to be found? Google, if not penalising us, has clearly severely downgraded our domain...

    Interestingly a search on 'Econsultancy SEO best practice guide' returns our homepage, not the SEO guide page which it did this morning. Suggests to me that Google isn't liking our geo-targeting for this page...

    Is it possible that doing that has altered your linking profile to such an extent that the site is being 'reevaluated' by google?

    Yes, possible. Though I doubt it would cause this dramatic an effect. But it certainly looks like we've been demoted whilst Google 'figures stuff out'?

    Perhaps someone's pointed a bunch of links at you from really bad sites.

    Reckon this is unlikely.. Why would they bother? Would it really work? We've got over 300,000 'good' links so they'd need a lot and to do it that quickly would sure 'trip' Google. Unless Twitter is bad - we've had a lot of links from Twitter recently!

    A pair of googlebots have crawled you from different geolocations, noticed you're serving different content to each of them, and nobbled you.

    Could be this but a bunch of other SEOs swear blind that Google *only* crawls from the USA so would see our US version.

    Fundamentally we don't *want* to be doing anything for Google's sake. We're doing all this only for our users' sake which is, indeed, what Google always advocate. Which is why I'd really like someone from Google to reply and stop us running around guessing and potentially undoing something that is fine in the first place!

    Probably Gary Barlow's fault though, you're right.

  4. Daniel Stassinos

    eCommerce Manager at Hotels4U.com

    07 April 2009 17:00pm

    Daniel Stassinos

    Hi Ashley, How long ago did you change your domain and put a permanent redirect on all domains to econsultancy.com? As you still have content indexed on Google under www.e-consultancy.com, just a thought really, maybe Google is still in the process of updating your site under the new domain.

    Dan

  5. Ashley Friedlein Staff

    CEO at Econsultancy

    07 April 2009 17:11pm

    Ashley Friedlein

    @Daniel - the domain changes were in December 2008 so around 4 months ago.

    You're right that there is still content in Google under the old domain and I don't know quite why Google is "holding onto" those results - if you click on the results then they should go through to either a 404 or the new site? And, in the latter case, using a 301 redirect. So why are they still there... I'm not sure.

    Our rankings have got significantly worse today - we don't rank on any of our big reports at all. In fact the only search result I can find is our homepage. 

    Which tells me *something bad* has happened. Still the only thing I think we could be penalised for is us using geo-targeted personalisation on some of our reports pages (see discussion at http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Webmasters/thread?tid=4d7ef2450a000e2d&hl=en for details).

    I still maintain we're doing the right thing for users but try telling that to Google. Until Google can confirm definitively we're guessing. And we're starting to make changes to the site to try and keep Google happy (which are guesses) as opposed to focusing on our users. Which is annoying and supposedly not what Google would urge us do.

  6. dan barker

    E-Business Consultant at Dan Barker

    07 April 2009 17:16pm

    dan barker

    & nothing at all is showing odd in google webmaster tools?

  7. Ashley Friedlein Staff

    CEO at Econsultancy

    07 April 2009 17:23pm

    Ashley Friedlein

    @Dan No - Webmaster Tools all looks fine. I've submitted a Reconsideration Request but no idea if/when they might get back on that.

  8. Chris Diprose

    SEO Specialist at Ogilvy / DTDigital

    08 April 2009 00:43am

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    its a no brainer .. the first of your 2 thoughts is at play

    "1. Adding 'no follow' to our blog comments and forum posts"

    Making changes to either internal or external links cannot be underestimated.  Nofollowing links stops the passing of link-page relevance, pagerank and the googlebot crawl might be also affected. 

    Essentially a "follow" link is saying, "I want to be associated and related to this site or page" .. by then changing the link to be a "nofollow" you are essentially saying "I don't really trust this page, probably shouldn't bother going there Googlebot and certainly don't give it relevance to me!" .. thus removing the vote for the page, the link relevance to both internal pages and external pages .. clearly a HUGE MISTAKE on doing this to internal pages!!!

    Google have never said to use nofollow tags as a blanket approach to forums .. Google rely heavily on normal "follow" tags otherwise there would be no PageRank.  If you are moderating posts then there is no reason not to follow those links and give and get .. so long as you keep it to <100 per forum page.

    Undo the nofollow for AT LEAST the internal links.  I'd suggest removing for external as well .. especially, as mentioned above, if you are moderating posts .. give and take .. to be seen as an authority you must link out too.

  9. zac craven

    IT consultant at Zac Craven Ltd

    08 April 2009 01:54am

    zac craven

    Ashley: I think you are right, that the problem is a duplicate content penalty caused by the personalisation of pages.  You are supposed to choose a 'canonical' version of every page and then block google from all the duplicate versions by using robots.txt or meta tag.  This way you can be sure that google isn't seeing two versions of the same page.  It shouldn't be difficult to implement and I think theres no thing to lose by trying it.

    I still think Google has a long way to go in improving it's algorithm, because I know of many sites that are having this kind of problem.  They have tons of quality content but they are not ranking well, whereas some frames-based site with about 6 pages of lame content that hasn't been updated for 8 years ranks #1.

  10. Ashley Friedlein Staff

    CEO at Econsultancy

    08 April 2009 07:33am

    Ashley Friedlein

    @Anonymous - We have now changed the links back so the 'no follow' is removed for internal links at least. So we'll see what happens as we're recrawled.

    But I'd be surprised if it was this. Now our SEO guide doesn't even rank on a search for 'Econsultancy SEO best practice guide', just our homepage comes up, and we barely appear in the search results at all for anything. That seems pretty extreme just because of adding 'no follow' to some internal links? These links are only a small proportion of our overall internal links and nothing like as many as our external links. Still, maybe enough of a change to spook Google out?

    @Zac - we could block Google from duplicate versions if those duplicates existed on separate URLs but for what we're doing they are on the same URL so this is not possible. We assumed the Google bot would just see our page as a non-logged in US visitor would which is fine. But, again, maybe we've freaked it out or tripped some spam filter. The extremity of the drop suggests *something bad* has happened.

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