I've just read a press release published here on e-consultancy by Vertical Leap.
It seems to suggest that to be a good SEO company you need to do nothing else but SEO. It seems a bit rich coming from a company who's last press release was about them gaining Google Adwords Qualified company status.
We're a full service firm, but we're driven by our natural search activities and do everything else to ensure best results for our clients.
We've written about this on our SEO blog, I feel quite incensed by the press release, I can't see how any type of extreme polarisation can be of real value to clients and to suggest it is, is wrong.
Search Marketing Director at http://www.marketappeal.co.uk/
27 September 2008 01:32am
Much as I agree with you to an extent, I think that there is still significant merit to specialisation.
Clearly it would be unwise to listen to an SEO agency that made recommendations with no regard to related marketing disciplines include web design, copywriting, usability, paid search, email and affiliate marketing, however, as they are all more established disciplines (aside from paid search) I would argue that it's more likely that a senior SEO engineer with have a reasonable appreciation of them than the other way round.
Equally, I think that web design and digital agencies that claim to offer SEO are now ten a penny and few of them are likely to have the level of skill and insight, not to mention up to date knowledge, to get results to rival the better dedicated agencies.
Also, regarding your point on them gaining AdWords professional status. We claim to be search marketing specialists, and employ a three pronged approach including organic SEO, PPC and web analytics, as we believe that they complement each other.
PPC is a great short term solution and sometimes also profitable for ongoing campaigns, as well as being an ideal testing ground to assess keyword conversion rates, if not offers and strap lines too. Besides, they are the two sets of listings comprising the leading search engines' results pages, so arguably their strategies should reinforce each other anyway.
PPC information can be invaluable in the early stages of SEO campaigns helping to prevent expensive mistakes, as not all high traffic keywords convert equally well.
Also, as one of the biggest advantages of the web and search marketing is their improved traceability as compared to most other marketing channels I believe that web analytics is an important piece of the puzzle allowing us to prove our ROI as well as enabling us to continue improve our performance in future.
Finally, the fact that we're a dedicated search marketing company means that while we work with an appreciation of other disciplines, we don't end up in power struggles with companies existing design or marketing teams (whether agencies or inhouse), ultimately we always have in mind the fact that we will be judged by our results from SEO.
On 09:55:06 26 September 2008 TimothyRoberts wrote:
I've just read a press release published here on e-consultancy by Vertical Leap.
It seems to suggest that to be a good SEO company you need to do nothing else but SEO. It seems a bit rich coming from a company who's last press release was about them gaining Google Adwords Qualified company status.
We're a full service firm, but we're driven by our natural search activities and do everything else to ensure best results for our clients.
We've written about this on our SEO blog, I feel quite incensed by the press release, I can't see how any type of extreme polarisation can be of real value to clients and to suggest it is, is wrong.
I think that it really depends on the business but I'll say that:
It is common knowledge that PPC is only for short term and SEO for long term.
I personally do not agree with that and we follow a different discipline.
If you have the budget go only with PPC, if its not that big invest in SEO.
SEO is based on understanding how the algorithms that indexes your website works on the SE side. (i.e. Google) Google changes their algorithm from time to time (you might have seen your PR falls after a Google Dance).
PPC is algorithm agnostic, you pay , you get an ad, you pay more, you get a better placement.
I hope this help.
johan ingles-le nobel
marketing at telefonix
17 October 2008 12:34pm
We'll have to agree to disagree then. The fact is, many, many, many web design houses and people who claim to be great at every aspect of websites "seo-friendly sites" create sites that are utterly pants at SEO.
The frontline here is that great SEO starts from the ground up with site structure and planning. But many web houses and people use packages that do things in a certain way (ie CMS or eCommerce packages) so the needs of SEO are secondary to the creation process.
OK all, this question is never going to get the simple yes/no answer that would make life so much easier for our clients. The fact is, there are some SEO companies who truly merit the label 'specialist', and some who don't. There are also some full service set ups that are able to offer genuine SEO expertise, along with hoards of 'pretenders' who frankly give the others a bad name.
The dispute on the need for 'extreme' specialisation (and let's face it, we're bound to be a little biased) I think is down to the fact that different 'specialists' can't agree on what constitutes good SEO. Creating usable and compelling content, and building with optimum accessibility in mind (to help the search engines read it) are surely two of the basic principles we should all be adopting for our clients' sites - whether we're a full service agency or an SEO specialist. Would anyone like to chip in any others?
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26 September 2008 09:55am
I've just read a press release published here on e-consultancy by Vertical Leap.
It seems to suggest that to be a good SEO company you need to do nothing else but SEO. It seems a bit rich coming from a company who's last press release was about them gaining Google Adwords Qualified company status.
We're a full service firm, but we're driven by our natural search activities and do everything else to ensure best results for our clients.
We've written about this on our SEO blog, I feel quite incensed by the press release, I can't see how any type of extreme polarisation can be of real value to clients and to suggest it is, is wrong.
Search Marketing Director at http://www.marketappeal.co.uk/
27 September 2008 01:32am
Much as I agree with you to an extent, I think that there is still significant merit to specialisation.
Clearly it would be unwise to listen to an SEO agency that made recommendations with no regard to related marketing disciplines include web design, copywriting, usability, paid search, email and affiliate marketing, however, as they are all more established disciplines (aside from paid search) I would argue that it's more likely that a senior SEO engineer with have a reasonable appreciation of them than the other way round.
Equally, I think that web design and digital agencies that claim to offer SEO are now ten a penny and few of them are likely to have the level of skill and insight, not to mention up to date knowledge, to get results to rival the better dedicated agencies.
Also, regarding your point on them gaining AdWords professional status. We claim to be search marketing specialists, and employ a three pronged approach including organic SEO, PPC and web analytics, as we believe that they complement each other.
PPC is a great short term solution and sometimes also profitable for ongoing campaigns, as well as being an ideal testing ground to assess keyword conversion rates, if not offers and strap lines too. Besides, they are the two sets of listings comprising the leading search engines' results pages, so arguably their strategies should reinforce each other anyway.
PPC information can be invaluable in the early stages of SEO campaigns helping to prevent expensive mistakes, as not all high traffic keywords convert equally well.
Also, as one of the biggest advantages of the web and search marketing is their improved traceability as compared to most other marketing channels I believe that web analytics is an important piece of the puzzle allowing us to prove our ROI as well as enabling us to continue improve our performance in future.
Finally, the fact that we're a dedicated search marketing company means that while we work with an appreciation of other disciplines, we don't end up in power struggles with companies existing design or marketing teams (whether agencies or inhouse), ultimately we always have in mind the fact that we will be judged by our results from SEO.
On 09:55:06 26 September 2008 TimothyRoberts wrote:
MD at Runinsight.co.uk
14 October 2008 18:24pm
I think that it really depends on the business but I'll say that:
It is common knowledge that PPC is only for short term and SEO for long term.
I personally do not agree with that and we follow a different discipline.
If you have the budget go only with PPC, if its not that big invest in SEO.
SEO is based on understanding how the algorithms that indexes your website works on the SE side. (i.e. Google) Google changes their algorithm from time to time (you might have seen your PR falls after a Google Dance).
PPC is algorithm agnostic, you pay , you get an ad, you pay more, you get a better placement.
I hope this help.
marketing at telefonix
17 October 2008 12:34pm
We'll have to agree to disagree then. The fact is, many, many, many web design houses and people who claim to be great at every aspect of websites "seo-friendly sites" create sites that are utterly pants at SEO.
The frontline here is that great SEO starts from the ground up with site structure and planning. But many web houses and people use packages that do things in a certain way (ie CMS or eCommerce packages) so the needs of SEO are secondary to the creation process.
Projects Director at Orangutan Studio
19 December 2008 18:04pm
OK all, this question is never going to get the simple yes/no answer that would make life so much easier for our clients. The fact is, there are some SEO companies who truly merit the label 'specialist', and some who don't. There are also some full service set ups that are able to offer genuine SEO expertise, along with hoards of 'pretenders' who frankly give the others a bad name.
The dispute on the need for 'extreme' specialisation (and let's face it, we're bound to be a little biased) I think is down to the fact that different 'specialists' can't agree on what constitutes good SEO. Creating usable and compelling content, and building with optimum accessibility in mind (to help the search engines read it) are surely two of the basic principles we should all be adopting for our clients' sites - whether we're a full service agency or an SEO specialist. Would anyone like to chip in any others?