We redesigned a website which had good Google listings previously. Almost as soon as the site went live the site dissapeared completely from Google. We've done everything by the book. Used 301 redirects etc etc and Google sitemaps and have now asked for 3 seperate reinclusion requests. I've never seen this before and am totally confused by what's happened.
The only possible issue that I can think of is the increase in the number of pages, but if anything this should only be a temporary problem. Its been over 4 months now since the new site went live. It still has a PR of 5 just to confuse the issue further and within the Google Webmaster Tools there are no issues highlighted.
The website in question is www.scis.org.uk
You'll notice that even if you type scis.org into google search you don't get any details apart from a few pdf files. The client is obviously a little concerned as are we!
Technical Project Manager (MBA, MBCS, CITP, CEng) at Naxtech.com
04 August 2008 19:20pm
Hi Andrew,
RE: www.scis.org.uk
Smells like an interesting combination of doing too many things at the same time along with the way you do URL redirection on the site.
I would actually have to see your sitemap and all the other details of the site to tell for sure but as a whole though the site seems to be indexed/read by googlebot. Hence why the website is receiving a pagerank. You can see here that the website's pages are actually in the index.
My advice would be to review the way you do redirection and look at the http headers and resulting URLs carefully. Also, some search engine optimisation (especially when it comes to titles, descriptions and keywords) will also help to differenciate each page and make it more unique.
I agree with Denis that 'site:scis.org.uk' is the right place to start. I'd go with different conclusions though: It looks like your title tags & url structure are done by-the-book. Not sure about the redirection - did you 301 individual pages or just the homepage?.
More about the problem
Anyway. If you do the site search, you can see about 75 pages in the index. BUT, there are far more pages that google actually knows about. eg. run these 2 searches:
Total Number of Pupils: 71
"Total Number of Pupils: 71"
You appear for the second (top of 2), but not at all for the first. My guess is that you are therefore in what used to be termed the 'secondary index' - a place where your pages are only returned for ridiculously specific searches.
Potential reasons?
Reasons for this could be:
Time - could just be too early - when did you switch the site?
Some kind of problem with the site itself
My guess is the second. Your PDFs are indexed fine, which hints that there must be something wrong with your html pages.
Potential fixes/places to get more info
Here are some things to try:
Get rid of your pragma & no-cache meta tags
Get rid of all of the other useless stuff up there (meta keywords, author, timestamp)
Test a very plain html page to see if it ranks (eg. create a page without your code-heavy menu structure, link to it very subtly from your homepage, see if it ranks)
a very loose hunch that could be the issue - your menu structure's very code-heavy & your content is very similar across all pages. Could be that - because none of the deep pages have any links themselves & they're all so similar - Google's not convinced they're important.
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04 August 2008 14:20pm
We redesigned a website which had good Google listings previously. Almost as soon as the site went live the site dissapeared completely from Google. We've done everything by the book. Used 301 redirects etc etc and Google sitemaps and have now asked for 3 seperate reinclusion requests. I've never seen this before and am totally confused by what's happened.
The only possible issue that I can think of is the increase in the number of pages, but if anything this should only be a temporary problem. Its been over 4 months now since the new site went live. It still has a PR of 5 just to confuse the issue further and within the Google Webmaster Tools there are no issues highlighted.
The website in question is www.scis.org.uk
You'll notice that even if you type scis.org into google search you don't get any details apart from a few pdf files. The client is obviously a little concerned as are we!
HELP!
Technical Project Manager (MBA, MBCS, CITP, CEng) at Naxtech.com
04 August 2008 19:20pm
Hi Andrew,
RE: www.scis.org.uk
Smells like an interesting combination of doing too many things at the same time along with the way you do URL redirection on the site.
I would actually have to see your sitemap and all the other details of the site to tell for sure but as a whole though the site seems to be indexed/read by googlebot. Hence why the website is receiving a pagerank. You can see here that the website's pages are actually in the index.
My advice would be to review the way you do redirection and look at the http headers and resulting URLs carefully. Also, some search engine optimisation (especially when it comes to titles, descriptions and keywords) will also help to differenciate each page and make it more unique.
I hope the above help.
regards,
Denis
www.naxtech.com
E-Business Consultant at Dan Barker
05 August 2008 09:57am
hi, Andrew, how are you?
I agree with Denis that 'site:scis.org.uk' is the right place to start. I'd go with different conclusions though: It looks like your title tags & url structure are done by-the-book. Not sure about the redirection - did you 301 individual pages or just the homepage?.
More about the problem
Anyway. If you do the site search, you can see about 75 pages in the index. BUT, there are far more pages that google actually knows about. eg. run these 2 searches:
You appear for the second (top of 2), but not at all for the first. My guess is that you are therefore in what used to be termed the 'secondary index' - a place where your pages are only returned for ridiculously specific searches.
Potential reasons?
Reasons for this could be:
My guess is the second. Your PDFs are indexed fine, which hints that there must be something wrong with your html pages.
Potential fixes/places to get more info
Here are some things to try:
Hope some of this is useful,
daniel