1. Bob Browning

    Retired at Retired

    21 July 2004 10:14am

    Bob Browning

    A couple of recent articles in the Washington Post  today are about the Internet Phone revolution that is taking place over there.

    In the UK - nothing. 

    I got an Internet Phone and signed up with a local company but frankly I don't use it..  In fact I don't think it works any more and i can't be bothered to try and fix it.  Its not reliable enough and the savings don't compensate.  Most UK VOIP companies try to be 'cheaper than BT' rather than 'cheaper than One-tel'.   So I am back to my old long-distance carrier. 

    Why is our experience so different to the US?

    1. Is the difference because of inherent differences in the Telephone industries

    2. Is the different because of different attitutudes to entrepreurship

    3. are we just running the normal 1-2 years behind?

    Bob
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  2. Alex Chudnovsky

    Fndr at Majestic12.co.uk

    21 July 2004 10:37am

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    On 10:14:28 21 July 2004 textor wrote:

    1. Is the difference because of inherent differences in the Telephone industries

    People in this country seem to be inclined to buy "free" mobile phones only to shell out £35-50 a month for voice calls, but would complain that broadband connection is whopping tenner more expensive than dial-up. Totally irrational behaviour, but then again I might just have wrong (or different as I prefer to call them) priorities in life.

    Low latency connections are essential, and currently these are only offered by broadband connections, and most people here don't spend that much time in their room (perhaps different in the States?). GRPS in mobile phones is just a no-go latency wise (some might say its intentional).

    VOIP will rise its ugly head as soon as first affordable and unlimited low latency 3G internet plans are available - then it will be a matter of people using IP to talk to each other directly rather than paying per minute charges.

    Until then... who cares about cost of phone calls so long as people get free trendy phones every 12 months???

    regards,

    Alex

    P.S. Note that I might be biased in my views as I work for a mobile phones retailer (the above are my personal views however)

  3. Bob Browning

    Retired at Retired

    21 July 2004 10:50am

    Bob Browning

    Yes, the availability of broadband is obviously an issue., the cost needs to come down. 

    When my phone was working (on broadband) latency was not the issue, but there were interruptions - a bit like a mobile in a dodgy area.  I guess it was down to contention on our circuit.  I think that may be less of an issue on 3G.

     The potential for VOIP in business, especially when you have a distributed sales force is huge.  The Washington Post article mentions this. 

    Bob

  4. Alex Chudnovsky

    Fndr at Majestic12.co.uk

    21 July 2004 11:39am

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    On 10:50:29 21 July 2004 textor wrote:

    Yes, the availability of broadband is obviously an issue., the cost needs to come down. 

    I think [b]wireless[/b] broadband accessible from normal mobile phones will be more important. People go about and have mobile with them, given opportunity (cheap calls) they would talk a lot more, however VOIP over mobiles would kill current network operators business model (as well as others who depend on it). Why I think so? Because sitting in front of yer PC in the evening is considered sad by people who like to talk - young generation.

     The potential for VOIP in business, especially when you have a distributed sales force is huge.  The Washington Post article mentions this. 

    Personally I'd prefer to see more video conferencing, webcams are cheap enough.

  5. Bob Browning

    Retired at Retired

    21 July 2004 13:50pm

    Bob Browning

    >>Because sitting in front of yer PC in the evening is considered sad by people who like to talk - young generation.<<

    Granted. I definitely take the point about mobiles. Even without 3G (which the mobile companies control - and they may block VOIP) I can see mobiles switching to wi-fi mode when a wi-fi connection is available.- which will be a lot in the future.

    However just to clear up a common misunderstanding, an Internet phone is just a regular phone, it happens to plug into the broadband rather than a telephone plug.

    Bob

  6. Alex Chudnovsky

    Fndr at Majestic12.co.uk

    21 July 2004 14:09pm

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    On 13:50:19 21 July 2004 textor wrote:
    >However just to clear up a common misunderstanding, an
    >Internet phone is just a regular phone, it happens to plug
    >into the broadband rather than a telephone plug.

    Well, everything soon will be VOIP as BT are upgrading all
    their network to IP swtiched one, so all voice traffic will be carried
    by IP packets.

    For most people VOIP is not technology but price of calls - very cheap. There is no reason why BT selling unlimited (recently limited actually) 512k broadband for £25 a month, while making unlimited voice calls should take less than 10% of line's capacity.

    The only reason why they don't do it now is their revenue dependency on plain old voice calls, but as soon as they wire everyone to broadband they will intro what the doctor ordered - voice calls for all 24/7 for affordable monthly fee.

    WiFi chips in phones is definately going to happen, well, as soon as they figure
    out how to extend battery life!

    Alex

  7. ashanka kotangale

    sansoftonline

    20 February 2007 17:34pm

    ashanka kotangale

    The latest Skype Wi-Fi phones range are worth mentioning. They are a little bit costly but worth every penny spent.

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