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  1. Ashley Friedlein Staff

    CEO at Econsultancy

    08 November 2005 10:51am

    Ashley Friedlein

    It's a strange thing this continuing use of "hits" as a metric for site traffic / success. Anyone who knows anything about web metrics knows it is nigh on useless, or meaningless, for most business / marketing purposes. 

    Even given that we can't expect everyone to know about web metrics, the average "lay person", or journalist, still talks about "hits". If they said what would probably be much more intuitive to them ("visits" for example) they would actually be much more accurate. I suspect people are just trying to sound savvy when, in fact, the opposite is the result. 

    Unfortunately, "hits" was bandied about so much in the dotcom days that it seems to have stuck. But it is time to kill it off. Rather than getting people confused about the differences between 'unique users', 'sessions' and the like, I propose we just stick to 'visits'. 

    I wouldn't mind so much if the continued use of "hits" was confined to the non-expert world. However, in the recent Interactive Marketing and Advertising Awards supplement to NMA it says in the introduction that "questions of metrics still need to be resolved...a trading currency needs to be established..." and then 3 of the 16 entries (almost 20%) cite "hits" as evidence of their success.

    Personally I would send back any entry that talked about hits. Or, as NMA, I would sub-edit the content. It's not helping anyone. 

    Rant over...

    Ashley Friedlein
    CEO, E-consultancy.com

  2. William Buckley

    Consultant at The Offers Group

    09 November 2005 07:23am

    William Buckley

    Although a complete novice, i was always under the impression that hits don't lie and visits are subjective, dependent on  the analytics used.

    Will B
    partyoffers

    On 10:51:33 8 November 2005 Ashley wrote:

    It's a strange thing this continuing use of "hits" as a metric for site traffic / success. Anyone who knows anything about web metrics knows it is nigh on useless, or meaningless, for most business / marketing purposes. 

    Even given that we can't expect everyone to know about web metrics, the average "lay person", or journalist, still talks about "hits". If they said what would probably be much more intuitive to them ("visits" for example) they would actually be much more accurate. I suspect people are just trying to sound savvy when, in fact, the opposite is the result. 

    Unfortunately, "hits" was bandied about so much in the dotcom days that it seems to have stuck. But it is time to kill it off. Rather than getting people confused about the differences between 'unique users', 'sessions' and the like, I propose we just stick to 'visits'. 

    I wouldn't mind so much if the continued use of "hits" was confined to the non-expert world. However, in the recent Interactive Marketing and Advertising Awards supplement to NMA it says in the introduction that "questions of metrics still need to be resolved...a trading currency needs to be established..." and then 3 of the 16 entries (almost 20%) cite "hits" as evidence of their success.

    Personally I would send back any entry that talked about hits. Or, as NMA, I would sub-edit the content. It's not helping anyone. 

    Rant over...

    Ashley Friedlein
    CEO, E-consultancy.com

  3. Andrew Allfrey

    eTail Optimisation Specialist at Click Funnel Ltd

    09 November 2005 09:47am

    Andrew Allfrey

    Thats partly true Will ... but the term "hits" doesn't actually mean anything at all to anyone. For example say your webpage has 20 images on it then the number of hits will be 21 ( 1 hit for the actual page download and a further 20 hits for each of the graphics files) ... so in terms of web metrics it doesnt tell us anything about the visitor apart from the fact that he looked at a page. 

    Returning and Unique visitors are far more useful metrics. Not that i'm a sceptic you understand Ashley, but I think the term 'hits' will be thrown around for many years to come.

    Andrew Allfrey
    e-Prominence

    On 07:23:53 9 November 2005 partywill wrote:

    Although a complete novice, i was always under the impression that hits don't lie and visits are subjective, dependent on  the analytics used.

    Will B
    partyoffers

    On 10:51:33 8 November 2005 Ashley wrote:

    It's a strange thing this continuing use of "hits" as a metric for site traffic / success. Anyone who knows anything about web metrics knows it is nigh on useless, or meaningless, for most business / marketing purposes. 

    Even given that we can't expect everyone to know about web metrics, the average "lay person", or journalist, still talks about "hits". If they said what would probably be much more intuitive to them ("visits" for example) they would actually be much more accurate. I suspect people are just trying to sound savvy when, in fact, the opposite is the result. 

    Unfortunately, "hits" was bandied about so much in the dotcom days that it seems to have stuck. But it is time to kill it off. Rather than getting people confused about the differences between 'unique users', 'sessions' and the like, I propose we just stick to 'visits'. 

    I wouldn't mind so much if the continued use of "hits" was confined to the non-expert world. However, in the recent Interactive Marketing and Advertising Awards supplement to NMA it says in the introduction that "questions of metrics still need to be resolved...a trading currency needs to be established..." and then 3 of the 16 entries (almost 20%) cite "hits" as evidence of their success.

    Personally I would send back any entry that talked about hits. Or, as NMA, I would sub-edit the content. It's not helping anyone. 

    Rant over...

    Ashley Friedlein
    CEO, E-consultancy.com

  4. Paul Filby

    Creative Director at mindorchard

    09 November 2005 15:52pm

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    Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - basically whether its 'hits', 'visits' or whatever, people will manipulate the figures to make them show that something is more successful than it actually is.  Personally I think people use 'hits' cause it usually gives nice big figures as compared to the other metrics you could use.

  5. Andy Vining

    Sales & Marketing Director at Bluroute Ltd

    09 November 2005 16:40pm

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    09/10/2005
    Andy Vining BluRoute

    I have to concur entirely with the motivation behind this comment.

    It’s confusing but forgivable when the “lay people” quote statistics that look tremendous but mean nothing…but it’s downright misleading and unprofessional when people who should know better quote these statistics as though they mean anything at all.

    The use of such meaningless statistics is, in my view, self perpetuating as the new wave of professionals – who do not yet know better – appear to be “repeating the sins” of their elders.

    It really is akin to the phrase “think of a number – any number at all” the bigger the better will look impressive. 

  6. James Graham

    Principal Consultant at Charteris

    09 November 2005 17:26pm

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    Quite agree - vists is the only reliable measurement. 

    There are also issues with any unique visitor stats because of the mechanisms the analytic tools use, so we never quote unique visitor stats. This is because the IP address is usually part of the algorithm to detect a returning visit, and the majority of users are still assigned a dynamic IP for their ISP session.

  7. Jim Sterne

    Producer at eMetrics Marketing Optimization Summit

    09 November 2005 23:42pm

    Jim Sterne

    As President of the Web Analytics Association, it's my solemn duty to explain that HITS is an extremely valuable acronym. It helps us recognize the knowledge of the person we are speaking with. It lets us separate those we can trust from those who talk the talk, but can't quite walk and chew gum at the same time. It's an important reference tool when dealing with superiors, vendors, consultants and brothers-in-law.

    And all we have to do is keep mum about the fact that it stands for:

                       How Idiots Track Success 

  8. Tala Sabi-aish

    Online Marketing Channel Manager at Adam Phones Ltd

    11 November 2005 10:48am

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    I came across a marketing site for weddings that used the term (Hits) to promote their services. I was actually in shock - as I knew the term Hit meant nothing - at the end of the day when you need to do advertising, it would be best to use the term (visitors) - although it does not identify if they are returned or new but gives a bit of an idea of the status of the site and their web presence.

    raising awareness for the normal online user is very important - especially if they are spending a lot of money on web advertising, they should really know what are the righ terms to follow.

  9. Andrew Rogoff

    Founder at Resourceguruapp.com and StagsandHens.com

    22 November 2005 23:17pm

    Andrew Rogoff

    Here, here! I hear people say 'hits' all the time and they get very confused when you tell them that they're meaningless. The sooner we lose them from our vocabulary, the better.

    On 10:51:33 8 November 2005 Ashley wrote:

    It's a strange thing this continuing use of "hits" as a metric for site traffic / success. Anyone who knows anything about web metrics knows it is nigh on useless, or meaningless, for most business / marketing purposes. 

    Even given that we can't expect everyone to know about web metrics, the average "lay person", or journalist, still talks about "hits". If they said what would probably be much more intuitive to them ("visits" for example) they would actually be much more accurate. I suspect people are just trying to sound savvy when, in fact, the opposite is the result. 

    Unfortunately, "hits" was bandied about so much in the dotcom days that it seems to have stuck. But it is time to kill it off. Rather than getting people confused about the differences between 'unique users', 'sessions' and the like, I propose we just stick to 'visits'. 

    I wouldn't mind so much if the continued use of "hits" was confined to the non-expert world. However, in the recent Interactive Marketing and Advertising Awards supplement to NMA it says in the introduction that "questions of metrics still need to be resolved...a trading currency needs to be established..." and then 3 of the 16 entries (almost 20%) cite "hits" as evidence of their success.

    Personally I would send back any entry that talked about hits. Or, as NMA, I would sub-edit the content. It's not helping anyone. 

    Rant over...

    Ashley Friedlein
    CEO, E-consultancy.com

  10. Simon Jones

    Managing Director at Studio 24 Ltd

    30 January 2006 16:21pm

    Simon Jones

    A better word would be 'page impressions' which would only count web pages. That statistic rarely lies, indeed ABC use page impressions (along with visitor numbers I believe) for auditing websites.

    I would also guess many people can't afford the larger scale tracking systems that can offer accurate visitor stats - hence the reliance on good old web log files for data.

    Simon


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