1. dan barker Bronze

    E-Business Consultant at Dan Barker

    23 October 2007 17:53pm

    dan barker

    if you knew very little about the web, but needed a website, what could you do to avoid being ripped off? what could you do to make sure you got something valuable?

    daniel

  2. Ashley Friedlein Staff

    CEO at Econsultancy

    24 October 2007 09:44am

    Ashley Friedlein

    It is tricky - even for people who do know a lot about the web. But then I still struggle to find a good plumber and you'd think we'd have figured out a way to solve that by now.

    I guess the simplest answer (true for plumbers too) is to go on a recommendation of someone you trust.

    Ashley Friedlein
    CEO
    E-consultancy.com

     

  3. Benno Wasserstein

    Managing Director at Box UK

    24 October 2007 11:35am

    Benno Wasserstein

    As Ashley says, word of mouth is probably the best way.

    If this is not available, sourcing a few agencies to look at will be the first challenge. Looking at e-consultancy's supplier directory would be a good start. Once you've found three or so that you like the look of (based on their portfolio/location and so on), contact them and see what kind of response you get. If they seem eager to discuss your project with you, send them your brief so they can provide you with a proper quote.

    Having at least 3 quotes should give you a good idea of where they position themselves (although if there is massive deviation, be worth asking them why). At this stage you would hopefully have a preferred choice. If you do, ask them for at least 3 client references. Contact these references and ask them as many probing questions as they let you get away with, such as 'did they deliver'; 'what is their support like once the site goes live'  etc.

    Finally, ensure that you get a formal contract with the supplier, with a pre-agreed payment schedule.

    p.s Ashley - as to plumbers, I know a great one in the North West London area!

    Benno

    On 09:44:06 24 October 2007 Ashley wrote:

     

    It is tricky - even for people who do know a lot about the web. But then I still struggle to find a good plumber and you'd think we'd have figured out a way to solve that by now.

    I guess the simplest answer (true for plumbers too) is to go on a recommendation of someone you trust.

    Ashley Friedlein
    CEO
    E-consultancy.com

     

     

  4. Garry Davis Gold

    Director at WhyCommunicate?

    24 October 2007 14:55pm

    Garry Davis

    Hi All

    I couldnt agree more on the recommendations perspective. We are amazed at the number of companies that we deal with that have fallen out with their web development/design company/person.

    From our perspective this is as the result of the following issues

    1) The agency having no clear process for the setting of functional and design requirements and not havng a clear sign off and delivery process.

    2) Assumptions being made on both sides as a result of the above

    3) The client not providing a clear brief

    4) No clear understanding of potential future requirements fed into the original brief.

    5) The project budget is small and therefore the above are often seen as secondary to getting the 'job out of the door'

    6) Poor communication

    Using the adage an existing customer is easier to sell to than a new one we are suprised that more care is taken with clients

    Garry Davis
    WhyCommunicate - Online Marketing

    On 11:35:20 24 October 2007 Benno wrote:

     

    As Ashley says, word of mouth is probably the best way.

    If this is not available, sourcing a few agencies to look at will be the first challenge. Looking at e-consultancy's supplier directory would be a good start. Once you've found three or so that you like the look of (based on their portfolio/location and so on), contact them and see what kind of response you get. If they seem eager to discuss your project with you, send them your brief so they can provide you with a proper quote.

    Having at least 3 quotes should give you a good idea of where they position themselves (although if there is massive deviation, be worth asking them why). At this stage you would hopefully have a preferred choice. If you do, ask them for at least 3 client references. Contact these references and ask them as many probing questions as they let you get away with, such as 'did they deliver'; 'what is their support like once the site goes live'  etc.

    Finally, ensure that you get a formal contract with the supplier, with a pre-agreed payment schedule.

    p.s Ashley - as to plumbers, I know a great one in the North West London area!

    Benno

    On 09:44:06 24 October 2007 Ashley wrote:

     

    It is tricky - even for people who do know a lot about the web. But then I still struggle to find a good plumber and you'd think we'd have figured out a way to solve that by now.

    I guess the simplest answer (true for plumbers too) is to go on a recommendation of someone you trust.

    Ashley Friedlein
    CEO
    E-consultancy.com

     

     

     

  5. Paul Midgley

    Director at Cloud Street Limited

    24 October 2007 17:24pm

    Paul Midgley

    I agree with Garry's advice.

    In our experience, it is often a good idea for clients to invest in an initial requirements gathering & specification phase, to give the two parties some experience of working together before committing to a full implementation project.

    A good developer/agency should lead client through this phase, so they are prompted to think about implication of future requirements etc, and should also document it in plain English. If, at the end of this phase, the relationship is really not working, either side can opt out in a civil manner (and client has a spec in hand that they can shop around other developers).

    Investing in this initial work leaves both parties clear on expectations & deliverables - and if the relationship is going well, they are much more likely to be able to work together to an 'agile' approach (which can be preferable to a fixed-price agreement).

    The output also allows the agency to provide a realistic quote for the build/implementation phases - generally gives client much better cost transparency.

    Depending on project size, this can usually be done in 2-6 weeks - so cost should not be enormous and is worth it in the longer term.

    Paul

    www.cloudstreet.co.uk

    0845 643 0851

     

  6. dave 428 Bronze

    profitmatic

    29 October 2007 07:59am

    dave 428

    Is anyone having any success in social media website promotion?
    If yes, can you share your strategies?

    Dave

     

Reply to this thread

Log in to reply to this thread or join Econsultancy for free so you can post to our forums along with other benefits.