1. Thomas Bannister Bronze

    Business Development Manager, Dept of Computing, Comms Tech & Maths at London Metroplitan University

    24 January 2006 17:17pm

    Thomas Bannister

    I realise this may be considered a bit of a blunt question but we are compiling a funding proposal on behalf of a web design company that requires us to quantify in some way the size of the market (in this case CMS driven website projects) in which the funded collaboration will take place. This information is used by the project funder as one of a number of indicators to establish the risk vs ROI of funding the collaboration. Is it possible to put a financial value on the market for developing websites? Any suggestions (particularly with sources), gratefully received. Tom.

  2. Bob Browning Bronze

    MD at Textor Webmasters Ltd

    25 January 2006 08:27am

    Bob Browning

    I market our content management system and other technical services to small to medium sized designers who do web design but don't have strong technical resources themselves.  I only look for such companies in London.  I have idenfitied about 1,000 such companies in the London area.  One day the workload will lighten up enough that I can cold call them all and find the rest.  My listing work is far from complete and I would be surprised if I have identified even half the market.  

    Over the UK I guess you would have to multiply that by say 10-20.  (Is London about 10% of the population of the UK?)

    Asked to segement the market I would say there are:

    1. Very large design monsters who have hundreds of staff and a significanty technical resource themselves (tens)

    2. Medium design houses that have a have a web team of 1-3 people one or two of whome will have enough technical expertise to install a CMS package or produce a simple PHP site.  (2-3 figures)

    3. Mainly print designers who also do web design or have a dedicated designer.  They either don't do CMS sites or rely on someone like me to work with them on their projects. (4 figures))

    4. Print designers who don't do the web and turn away this sort of work (4 figures)

    5. Web design companies formed specifically to provide design and technical services.  Some of whom crashed and burned spectacularly at the end of the dot com boom.  (2-3 figures)

    6. Web design wannabes who really don't have good design skills but wwho can put a site together very cheaply.  (who knows)

    Bob

  3. Thomas Bannister Bronze

    Business Development Manager, Dept of Computing, Comms Tech & Maths at London Metroplitan University

    25 January 2006 10:44am

    Thomas Bannister

    Many thanks Bob for your reply. Tom

    On 08:27:34 25 January 2006 textor wrote:

     

    I market our content management system and other technical services to small to medium sized designers who do web design but don't have strong technical resources themselves.  I only look for such companies in London.  I have idenfitied about 1,000 such companies in the London area.  One day the workload will lighten up enough that I can cold call them all and find the rest.  My listing work is far from complete and I would be surprised if I have identified even half the market.  

    Over the UK I guess you would have to multiply that by say 10-20.  (Is London about 10% of the population of the UK?)

    Asked to segement the market I would say there are:

    1. Very large design monsters who have hundreds of staff and a significanty technical resource themselves (tens)

    2. Medium design houses that have a have a web team of 1-3 people one or two of whome will have enough technical expertise to install a CMS package or produce a simple PHP site.  (2-3 figures)

    3. Mainly print designers who also do web design or have a dedicated designer.  They either don't do CMS sites or rely on someone like me to work with them on their projects. (4 figures))

    4. Print designers who don't do the web and turn away this sort of work (4 figures)

    5. Web design companies formed specifically to provide design and technical services.  Some of whom crashed and burned spectacularly at the end of the dot com boom.  (2-3 figures)

    6. Web design wannabes who really don't have good design skills but wwho can put a site together very cheaply.  (who knows)

    Bob

     

  4. Ashley Friedlein Staff

    CEO at Econsultancy

    25 January 2006 19:17pm

    Ashley Friedlein

    Hi Tom 

    We don't give a market valuation as such in our Agency Rate Card Survey 2005: How Much Do UK New Media Agencies Charge? report but there is plenty of data in there on the agency market in the UK. 

    In the 2003 version we had the following:

    •  There are an estimated 3,000 new media agencies in total in the UK with the market for providing interactive services valued at £600m
    •  Only 11% of responding agencies were founded before 1995; 61% were founded after 1998; 38% after 2000 i.e. most were formed at the height, or after, the dot com boom. The proliferation of smaller agencies formed as larger agencies broke up accounts in part for the later growth in the number of agencies founded.
    •  Only 14% of agencies have more than 20 employees.
    •  Only 27% of agencies have a projected 2003 turnover of more than £800k. 41% of agencies have a turnover of less than £150k. Of those agencies with a turnover of more than £500k the greatest number were founded in 1999, followed by 2000, followed by those founded before 1990 i.e. there are some who have survived as big players from the boom time but there are other more established agencies who have successfully turned themselves to new media too.
    •  66% of all responding agencies are based in London or the South East. 77% of those agencies with a turnover of more than £500k are based in London or the South East i.e. there is still a heavy London/South East weighting in terms of where most new media business occurs.

    I think it would be nigh on impossible to define the "CMS-driven web site build" market - increasingly all sites have some form of CMS (depending on how you understand that term).

    Ashley 
    CEO, E-consultancy.com

     

  5. Thomas Bannister Bronze

    Business Development Manager, Dept of Computing, Comms Tech & Maths at London Metroplitan University

    26 January 2006 10:16am

    Thomas Bannister

    Many thanks Ashley. Tom

    On 19:17:23 25 January 2006 Ashley wrote:

     

    Hi Tom 

    We don't give a market valuation as such in our Agency Rate Card Survey 2005: How Much Do UK New Media Agencies Charge? report but there is plenty of data in there on the agency market in the UK. 

    In the 2003 version we had the following:

    •  There are an estimated 3,000 new media agencies in total in the UK with the market for providing interactive services valued at £600m
    •  Only 11% of responding agencies were founded before 1995; 61% were founded after 1998; 38% after 2000 i.e. most were formed at the height, or after, the dot com boom. The proliferation of smaller agencies formed as larger agencies broke up accounts in part for the later growth in the number of agencies founded.
    •  Only 14% of agencies have more than 20 employees.
    •  Only 27% of agencies have a projected 2003 turnover of more than £800k. 41% of agencies have a turnover of less than £150k. Of those agencies with a turnover of more than £500k the greatest number were founded in 1999, followed by 2000, followed by those founded before 1990 i.e. there are some who have survived as big players from the boom time but there are other more established agencies who have successfully turned themselves to new media too.
    •  66% of all responding agencies are based in London or the South East. 77% of those agencies with a turnover of more than £500k are based in London or the South East i.e. there is still a heavy London/South East weighting in terms of where most new media business occurs.

    I think it would be nigh on impossible to define the "CMS-driven web site build" market - increasingly all sites have some form of CMS (depending on how you understand that term).

    Ashley 
    CEO, E-consultancy.com

     

     

  6. Andrei Reounov Bronze

    SEO Expert at Mexley Marketing Inc.

    28 August 2008 16:45pm

    Andrei Reounov

    I work for www.mexley.com we do website development and here is my opinion on your post. Talking about small to medium size web design companies we have two options to develop a CMS. First is to hire a freelancer and second is to hire an in-house programmer. Now the pros and cons. Freelancer might offer a cheaper price for his job, but you usually spend lots of time organizing the whole work process (i.e. contacting him back and forth about bugs). On the other hand hiring the programmer will save you time, but it is more resource consuming. Now its up to you ti make a final decision ;))     


     

    On 10:44:57 25 January 2006 ThomasBannister wrote:

    Many thanks Bob for your reply. Tom

    On 08:27:34 25 January 2006 textor wrote:

     

    I market our content management system and other technical services to small to medium sized designers who do web design but don't have strong technical resources themselves.  I only look for such companies in London.  I have idenfitied about 1,000 such companies in the London area.  One day the workload will lighten up enough that I can cold call them all and find the rest.  My listing work is far from complete and I would be surprised if I have identified even half the market.  

    Over the UK I guess you would have to multiply that by say 10-20.  (Is London about 10% of the population of the UK?)

    Asked to segement the market I would say there are:

    1. Very large design monsters who have hundreds of staff and a significanty technical resource themselves (tens)

    2. Medium design houses that have a have a web team of 1-3 people one or two of whome will have enough technical expertise to install a CMS package or produce a simple PHP site.  (2-3 figures)

    3. Mainly print designers who also do web design or have a dedicated designer.  They either don't do CMS sites or rely on someone like me to work with them on their projects. (4 figures))

    4. Print designers who don't do the web and turn away this sort of work (4 figures)

    5. Web design companies formed specifically to provide design and technical services.  Some of whom crashed and burned spectacularly at the end of the dot com boom.  (2-3 figures)

    6. Web design wannabes who really don't have good design skills but wwho can put a site together very cheaply.  (who knows)

    Bob

  7. B Money Bronze

    Student at College

    19 November 2010 22:27pm

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    Ashley

    would you happen to have more global numbers? Esp that the original post is 4 years old... it is still a relevant question of how big this market has become and it's current run rate.

    many thanks

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