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  1. Lawrence L

    Freelance Web Consultant at architxt.net

    12 March 2007 10:51am

    Lawrence L

    In my experience (AdWords, AdSense) Google don't respond as promptly as that. I also don't want to talk to third party consultants about a technical query and have to endure a sales pitch. Not do I want to search help pages, new groups or google for an answer. I want to call my service provider and get an answer promptly.

    No, I'm not saying that Google engage in fraudulent activities, but it's fair to say that the growing perception of Google is of a company that isn't entirely transparent and with a questionable strategy as to how it uses content produced by others (eg. Google Books).

    An example of a perfectly legit scenario that could cause problems would be a change in policy whereby GA would only be offered to AdWords customers. A far-fetched hypothesis but not 'utter rubbish.

  2. dan barker

    E-Business Consultant at Dan Barker

    12 March 2007 11:18am

    dan barker

    hi, Loz, how are you?

    I agree with the 'service provider' thing: some companies are happy saving some money & sorting things out for themselves; some are happier with a full service provider model. I actually think where Analytics is concerned there's a slight advantage in having set things up yourself at least once (or having an internal analyst who has done so) so that you have a rounded idea of what can be done & how things work from the ground up.

    On the 'Google limit Analytics use to Adwords customers only' hypothesis, I don't think that will happen (or at least Google would be mad to do it) as it actually works as a sales tool for AdWords. Closing access would also go against of one of their big strategies, which is: find out as much as possible about as many web users as possible. On Google Analytics specifically, a few of the advantages for Google spreading it as wide as possible are that it tells them:

    1. What searchers do post-search
    2. Website usage outside of the search cyle (eg. type-ins/visits from emails/bookmarks, etc - something they had no visibility of previously)
    3. What website owners are doing / Which sites they handle, etc
    4. Which sites to pitch AdWords / AdSense to
    Many of Google's other newer properties do the same kind of thing (eg. Google Reader, GMail, Personalised Homepage, Webmaster Central, etc). I'm sure this is an intentional strategy, so I'd be amazed if they ever limited access to Analytics.
  3. Brian Clifton Silver

    Author, CEO & Web Metrics Strategist at Advanced Web Metrics

    12 March 2007 13:35pm

    Brian Clifton

    Well I can only speak of my experience with the GA team. I am sure different time zones and work flow will vary that, but I regulary get a response from Google (for free) within 2 days.

    Third parties i.e. ourselves charge for our service/expertise. That's how we make money and pay ourselves. If you ring my colleague (Rainer) he can give you a breakdown of our service - its then up to you if you wish to purchase. Once signed up you speak directly with one of the GA Team here.

    I have found Google to be entirely transparent with its GA service and with us as a trusted Partner.

    I cannot speak for Google, but I know of no previous product where Google have removed its service from a segment of users.

    Loz - I am going to bow out of this conversation now. Good luck with your use of GA.

  4. Deri Jones

    CEO at SciVisum.co.uk

    16 March 2007 18:37pm

    Deri Jones

    True enough - but not sure the trouble was anything that Microsoft would have considered 'trouble'.
    They  paid the $500M fine to the EU in 2004 and carried on anyway! (Windows media Player integration was the issue.)
    They paid them some more last year. And carried on. And are still arguing with the EU.

    For a list of MS litigation, start somewhere like the respected groklaw.net:
    http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2005010107100653

    Or Microsoft Vs USA over Internet Explorer: settled in 2001
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft
    but still in the news this week with judges questioning MS actions again:
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003616887_microsoft14.html

    So far, Google's 'do no evil' seems to be a good differentiator to Microsoft (their name is not entirely untarnished though).

    Deri

    Loz wrote:

    Microsoft got into trouble packaging freebie products into their operating system.

    I wonder if Google will ever get into a similar situation if its position is seen to be dominating the market.

    Loz


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