1. James Robertson

    Web Marketing Manager at www.venuebirmingham.com

    22 May 2007 10:02am

    James Robertson

    Hi all; I have just started a new position and it is looking like a fait accompli that we are going to use MS SharePoint as a CMS.... - so I just wanted to ask if anyone had ever used it before, and if so what they though of it?

    We are a University, and so we will require:

    • decent workflow management,
    • multiple authoring roles and editor roles
    • multiple look and feels
    • single log-on across multiple sites and intranet sites.
    Let me know any horror stories; what is it like to train people up as content contributors? - how hard is it to import new look and feel templates? - is it capable of writing good CSS and accessible code?

    We are a wall-to-wall MS environment with a lot of MS server, networking and support skills.

    James

  2. Robin Smith

    Business Development Manager at Auros

    23 May 2007 10:20am

    Robin Smith

    Hi James

    As a company, we implement CMS solutions for a living.  We assessed > 20 enterprise products prior to partnering with a leading UK vendor. I won't mention them here, as it would probably constitute spam!

    Our take on Sharepoint is as follows (subjective):

    • No out of the box accessibility compliance / checking functionality
    • In comparison to other products, poor content contributor interface (not true WYSIWYG)
    • No in-line image editing
    • Far from being an "off the shelf" solution - requires significant congiuration prior to install, as is very much a development toolkit / framework
    • Poorly defined product roadmap

    It is, however, strong on the following areas (again subjective!):

    • Rapid creation of team sites / collaborative work spaces
    • Strong out of the box document management functionality

    If you would like to chat through any of the above in more detail, feel free to drop me a line at <at>auros.co.uk

    Cheers


    Robin

    Auros Business Development Manager

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    On 10:02:56 22 May 2007 JamesRobertson wrote:

    Hi all; I have just started a new position and it is looking like a fait accompli that we are going to use MS SharePoint as a CMS.... - so I just wanted to ask if anyone had ever used it before, and if so what they though of it?

    We are a University, and so we will require:

    • decent workflow management,
    • multiple authoring roles and editor roles
    • multiple look and feels
    • single log-on across multiple sites and intranet sites.
    Let me know any horror stories; what is it like to train people up as content contributors? - how hard is it to import new look and feel templates? - is it capable of writing good CSS and accessible code?

    We are a wall-to-wall MS environment with a lot of MS server, networking and support skills.

    James

  3. Neil James Silver

    Head of Communications at Finance Wales

    09 July 2007 11:43am

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    Hi James, I'm curious to know how your CMS implementation is going? I'm in exactly the same position as you were a few weeks ago: our business was looking for a new CMS. SharePoint has been sold to the IT manager and now I have to work out whether it will support our marketing needs! Back to front I know!

  4. Ben Robb

    Lead Technical Consultant at cScape

    10 July 2007 10:08am

    Ben Robb

    Hi,

    Coming into this thread a bit late... but hope I can be of help.

    To lay my hand on the table first - I'm a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP) for SharePoint, so I guess I'm a little biased. That said, I've worked in a UK based consultancy specialising in web content management for nearly 10 years, so I am very aware of the capabilities of other WCM products out there.

    Don't get me wrong - SharePoint is by no means a perfect product, and if you are just using it for a simple brochureware site, I would say that it is far too big and complex to use. The two best things about the product are:

    1) You can pretty much make it do anything
    2) The management interfaces are all customer focused and easy to use

    The two worst things are:

    1) Its complexity to initially set up if you are unfamiliar with the product (but its a lot better than earlier versions of the product)
    2) It is difficult to make the management interfaces accessible (though we are involved in a Microsoft open source initiative to improve this).

    For more details, read on:

    Office SharePoint Server (MOSS) 2007 combines (and enhances) the good quality web content management capabilities of Microsoft CMS 2002, but adds the collaboration, document management and search capabilities of the core SharePoint products to the mix too. That means you get blogs and wikis, RSS feeds, workflow, versioning, security etc.

    Most importantly, contributing content to the site and managing the servers is done in a consistent way whether you are using it for an intranet, a public website, an extranet, a file store or whatever. This should cut down on IT training both for your network admins and your content authors.

    In terms of code quality, MOSS is built onto ASP.NET 2.0 using standard web controls and master pages for templating the content. For public facing sites, there shouldn't be any issues with fine-grained control over the (X)HTML / CSS which is used. See, for example, a site I built earlier this year which should show the level of customisation which is possible: http://www.hedkandi.com

    For more internal uses - for example, the document management functionality - there is extensive use of JavaScript, which means it doesn't "tick the box" for accessibility there. However, in working with the RNIB recently, a lot of the site is still usable for those using the latest version of, say, JAWS.

    One final thing to say is that there are many other public sites which are already using MOSS, and there is a community which the product team estimate at 750,000 who are actively developing in SharePoint technologies, so there is a lot of help out there on the community.

    Hope this helps,

    Ben Robb
    MVP, Microsoft Office SharePoint Server
    Lead Technical Consultant, cScape

    [P.S. Check out the eConsultancy CMS Best Practice Guide

  5. Lawrence L

    Freelance Web Consultant at architxt.net

    10 July 2007 11:15am

    Lawrence L

    "In comparison to other products, poor content contributor interface (not true WYSIWYG) "

    True WYSIWYG is not necessarily the best interface. If you're using templates where information is laid out in specific areas and you don't want people to go crazy with text formatting then a form based interface where each content element has its own field is probably better (eg. updating your forum profile).

  6. Kenton Ward

    Head of Partnership Sales at Squiz

    15 July 2008 11:01am

    Kenton Ward

    Hi James - I am also coming to this late, so I guess you have had a little while with Sharepoint by now if that's the way you have gone. If not, you might also consider looking around at the some of the opensource products on the market which are - on the whole extremely advanced now. I work in this sector and we have come across many of the licensed systems which all have their pros and cons (our view: sharepoint is good for docs not so good as a CMS) and were very much the only solution for an enterprise scale project, but there are now many additional products out there that won't require the spend on license fees, simply for the privilege of using the system. These are more than capable of handling projects that need multiple features and guaranteed uptime. I won't push our particular system here as it may be considered spam but my contact details are on my profile and it might be worth looking at this University site that we have built recently: http://www.oxford-union.org/

    Kenton Ward
    Head Of Partnerships - Squiz

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