1. Ashley Friedlein Staff

    CEO at Econsultancy

    23 September 2004 11:51am

    Ashley Friedlein

    I think search engines increasingly have a problem on their hands from sophisticated affiliate sites which are dominating the natural search results to the increasing frustration of searchers.

    I recently experienced this myself. I was looking for a florist in Hertford. Not a florist who could deliver to Hertford but one actually in Hertford.

    So I searched Google.co.uk (for UK pages only) on florists in Hertford.

    It’s not until page three that there are any results which aren’t middleman / affiliate sites, and even then its a local directory not the actual florists themselves. By comparison I found what I wanted in 1 click on yell.com.

    Looking at all the affilate sites whose pages contained ’Florists in Hertford’, or whose URLs contained this search string, it appeared almost as if the sites had dynamically created themselves to suit my search string. Unless I’m much mistaken this is not possible. So what they must be doing is just auto-generating thousands of variations of their web pages and inserting different search strings each time so the sites will come for whichever town name you search on ’Florist in [XYZ]’.

    That’s clever SEO on the part of those sites but usually not much good to searchers or the search engines. For any product / service that I’m after which is localised and where the provider is unlikely to have a search-optimised web presence (e.g. plumbers, pest control people, drain unblockets etc. etc.) then I’m now inclined to avoid search engines and go for a directory like yell.com.

    The problem is not just one of geo-targeting but also that many of the providers of services/products that you are after may not actually have a web presence - again this plays to the advantage of someone like The Yellow Pages where the basic online listing (free as part of a print listing) is essentially a micro-site.

    The above kinds of scenarios also point to the eminent sense in Findwhat.com’s new Pay-Per-Call service.

    It will be interesting to see how the search engine vs. directories vs. classifieds environment shakes down over time as the lines are increasingly blurred.

  2. Bob Browning Bronze

    MD at Textor Webmasters Ltd

    24 September 2004 18:09pm

    Bob Browning

    You mean you want a directory not a search engine.  Something that is manually created to make sure that each entry is slotted into the right place.  Like Yell, like .... Yahoo. 

    We have got so used to smacking search keys into a search engine we have stopped using directories, and as a result they are dying.  Yahoo is now seen as a search site even though it has a great directory as well. 

    As it is the routine advise from SEO experts is not to bother paying to be on a directory because you won't get the traffic.

    True, but it is a pity.

    Bob

  3. Lawrence L

    Freelance Web Consultant at architxt.net

    27 September 2004 09:53am

    Lawrence L

    Getting a site listed on DMOZ has benefits a site ranking on Google (and other search engines too, I suspect). This because webmasters use scripts to list all or part of the DMOZ directory on their site, and this in turn boosts a site's Page Rank.

    DMOZ is worthwhile. Directories that are free to get listed on are worthwhile too. Niche ones are worth investing in (eg www.find.co.uk) and Yahoo! Directory would be too if it were cheaper.

    Lawrence

  4. Lawrence L

    Freelance Web Consultant at architxt.net

    28 September 2004 13:45pm

    Lawrence L

    I posted (vented) not long ago about dire results I'm having for a key phrase on google.it. For the record, positioning is now even lower.

    In my case my site is the only one in Italy that is dedicated 100% to a specific product. The sites/pages that beat me are articles from popular news sites (some of which dated), product pages from etailers and product comparison sites and producy descriptions from companies that make them. I'm also beaten by a poll on an amateur website about, well, everything.

    From what I am experiencing and what you are describing I can only conclude that Google isn't that clever afterall. Which is frustrating as the top 10 position I think I merit  could provide a lot of quality traffic for free. So I end up paying for my placement.

  5. John Wards

    Multi Media Developer at SportNetwork.net

    28 September 2004 15:17pm

    John Wards

    The problem with google is its Page Rank system.

    I did a little experiment a few months ago and added a link to every page on our sites men to an affilate mobile tones website that we got set up by a comany.

    The link title is "Mobile: Tones & Graphics" and the url is http://tones.sportnetwork.net

    A quick search for Mobile Tones on google:

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Mobile+Tones

    The page is number 2 on google, the only reason this will be is because according to googles back link checker it has about 2,400 links pointing to it. In reality it probably has well over 100,000 links.

    I did no SEO work on the page just added a link and within a few weeks I am number 2 on google for a very good keyword search.

    So in theory its very easy to get to the top of google if you have the numbers of pages, and a quick script using affilate links for content could easliy be done as ashley found out.

    Google are not stupid and know this, in my opinion they are not that willing to change this as it increases the clicks on the paid for placments. But that is just my opinion....;-)

  6. Graham Robson

    Director at Coherence Design Limited

    29 September 2004 09:33am

    Graham Robson

    It feels like search is out of balance and heading for some correction. SEO and PPC are distorting things to the determent for scenarios like Ashley’s or a similar case I also had the other week. Try finding the phone number or actual website for a hotel!

    Mike Butcher’s column this week (Search me..) is a good round up of present initiatives to equip people with better tools to treat some symptoms. Search engines are capable of delighting and frustrating in equal measures.

    Clearly one method to find information is not enough - we await the rise of directories/internet yellow pages (IYP). I found some interesting research that point to the rise in SME using IYP. Leads generated from print $1, from paid search $0.43, from IYP $0.15. The other interesting aspect for marketers is that people tend to be further along the buying cycle. Is PPC the mass advertising equivalent of the internet age?

    Innovations like Pay per Call can really help to up the heat, getting both the industry and market to understand that we need the right tool for the right job

    On 18:09:44 24 September 2004 textor wrote:

    You mean you want a directory not a search engine.  Something that is manually created to make sure that each entry is slotted into the right place.  Like Yell, like .... Yahoo. 

    We have got so used to smacking search keys into a search engine we have stopped using directories, and as a result they are dying.  Yahoo is now seen as a search site even though it has a great directory as well. 

    As it is the routine advise from SEO experts is not to bother paying to be on a directory because you won’t get the traffic.

    True, but it is a pity.

    Bob

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