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Aspiration Jewellery
08 October 2008 05:07am
Hi, I'd appreciate any tips on the best ecommerce platforms around just now.
I have an existing retail website, about 400 odd items but will be increasing to a couple of thousand. I want to keep the design of the site (created bespoke a few years back) but otherwise, switch over to as feature rich a platform as possible (belt and braces approach).
I have already had a few comments on another post, for which I thank all who responded. I had been leaning towards Actinic or Erol but having used their trials, find them a bit too difficult and cumbersome to use. Moreover I've not seen that many good looking sites created using them.
Volusion was another option but as well as the dodgy customer service I've heard about, the hosting (albeit Rackspace) would be in the US, and my site is solely intended for UK/Ireland customers, so has to do well on Google UK listings. Also as it's American I'm a bit concerned that it won't necessarily incorporate all the various accessibility / security standards that we have to comply with over here.
A couple of people suggested Magento - I'll admit this is one of my preferred choices. Problems I have with it are the lack of SEF URLs and again, the fact that it's not actually UK based. Also as it's OS software, I feel (perhaps being paranoid?) a bit concerned that others could easily infiltrate weaknesses given that bugs are likely to be posted on their forum (speaking of which, there seems to be a LOT of activity on their forum ie several people with tech problems each day; again this seems a bit disconcerting).
One question I do have if any of you can answer, is whether site owners using software like Magento can retrieve the site and all modifications via the live version or a general backup on the hosting - ie doesn't the fact that it's software on your computer leave you vulnerable to something happening to that hardware?
More generally, I'd appreciate any thoughts on which way to go. Ideally I'd go with an on-demand service rather than the downloadable software; however other than ekm (which I'm not overly impressed with) I can't really find any UK ones that seem to stick out as having a decent track record.
Thanks in advance!
Frances
Technical Project Manager (MBA, MBCS, CITP, CEng) at Naxtech.com
08 October 2008 09:37am
Hi Frances,
I could not agree with you more. Actinic and the like are too hard to use and other similar packages are either too expensive or do not have the functionality or are too big, etc etc. ...which is why we worked on our own type of solution, based on a 3rd party engine.
I would not like to give out the details here in public but if you contact me I'd be happy to show you a demo version of what we have so that you can see whether this is the sort of thing you're looking for. And if it is, great. If not, at least it may give you some food for thought.
regards,
Denis
www.naxtech.com
Director at GPMD Ltd
08 October 2008 10:11am
Dear Frances,
I would stear clear of Atinic - seen too many people have problems with the way it works.
We are a Magento partner based in the UK, with our own hosting solution, so we could offer you a UK based Magento solution if you are interested. Taken you existing design and moving to Magento shoudl be possible - but would need to see the existing site in order to confirm. Magento does have search engine friendly URLs and a very active release schdule, with bugs and issues being addressed quickly.
In answer to your question you can backup any install of Magento to gaurd against disaster.
I would also have a look at the e-Consultancy Ecommerce Buyers Guide if you haven't already!
Hope this helps,
Mark
www.gpmd.co.uk
Aspiration Jewellery
08 October 2008 13:43pm
Thanks. Like I say, I think Magento looks great. However on digging a bit there are various complaints about it, to the effect that the code is riddled with bugs and still pretty much in beta mode.
Also again, I've seen no evidence to suggest that it's standards compliant. I really have to ensure that my site does comply with all current regs and standards.
I perhaps should've mentioned the budget range I'm looking at - obviously as cheap as possible, but the quotes I've been getting are generally up to about £5000. Interestingly different Actinic resellers gave me quotes with a variance of £2000 on each other :)
Director at GPMD Ltd
08 October 2008 14:19pm
Frances,
In regards to the Magento bugs, all the major issues have been addressed (in particular the speed) and there are regular resleases (currently on 1.1.6 released on the 17th September).
The heavy reliance on javascript does cause a problem with accessiblity and some issues with standards compliance, Whether this is a problem or not depends on your reasons for wanting to be standards compliant. And the use of javascript does provide some advantages in terms of usability.
These issues could be addressed when developing a bespoke theme... and with the features that Magento offers out the box the positives out way the negatives (in my view) - there will be draw backs with any system you choose.
Budget wise it might be possible - would need to see the design of the site - however it would be at the high end...
I would be happy to discuss your concerns if you wish...
Thanks
Mark
www.gpmd.co.uk
Aspiration Jewellery
08 October 2008 14:27pm
Mark
Thanks for your comments. To be honest I would expect accessibility etc to be standard now, given Google's view on it and the legal obligations website owners have.
I'm not a developer, just a site owner, but I understand that CSS is better than java for being standards compliant?
On a related point, I presume that the more any software would have to be tweaked, the more difficult it'd be to update with patches and other releases?
My site if you need to put this into context is Aspiration Jewellery (.co.uk).
Frances
On 14:19:50 8 October 2008 mslocock wrote:
Director at GPMD Ltd
09 October 2008 10:16am
Frances,
I agree that accessibility should be a given but unfortunately it is still an issue for a large number of websites.
In Magento's case the issue is with the themes (the frontend) not the the code. The issue is that the checkout doesn't work without JavaScript, which is likely to casue a probelm for screen readers. It would not be a problem for Search Engine Optimisation because all the content of the site is properly accessible.
As I said before the problem could be fixed with a custom theme, but this would require a lot of work. If Magento release a theme that does not rely on JavaScript this would solve the problem - it is on the roadmap just no timescale as yet.
The legal issue is a grey area as the Act states you have to make a reasonable effort (see the rnib website), but does not say what reasonalbe is... it is of course best practice to be accessible.
Having looked at your design I suggest that a few tweaks would be advantageous so that you could make use of any features offered by what ever system you end up using. In Magento's case an example would be layered navigation.
I hope this is of some help!
All the best,
Mark
www.gpmd.co.uk
Managing Director at Shine Marketing
09 October 2008 11:04am
We had a look at Magento a while back and have kept a close eye on it as it certainly looks like a better option than the other free open source candidates like osCommerce. I'd still say there are some big enough issues to avoid it for a serious production site unless you have budget for ongoing development available.
The gloss soon comes off when you start trying to run anything other than out-of-the-box designs which are a bit of a nightmare. There are some lovely sites built on it now but the development costs for the front-end are still way too high.
If it's more functionality you are after, you might be better off going for something more bespoke. We're already building sites with almost identical product comparison features which is the only useful front-end feature I could seee.
We have a solution - ShineEcommerce - which is built on a .Net platform which we then extend in whatever direction our clients need. For example we often build 'wizard' screens for adding complex products in bulk. If you've ever tried adding smething like shoes in 12 sizes into Magento you'll realise the time savings this gives you.
Designs are always 100% bespoke - although we can re-use the look and feel of your existing site if you want to avoid the 'creative' stage of design.
The sites are all hosted on Rackspace servers in the UK and we place emphasis on accessibility albeit driven by SEO rather than any legal requirements.
The checkouts might not lok as 'sexy' as Magento, but we've doubled the conversion rates of most of the clients we've worked with to date.
Drop me a note if you want to discuss it further?
sales manager at jiasheng industry co., limited
11 October 2008 13:56pm
JSUnderwear is one of the underwear manufacturer in China.
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Main fabric we use:
100%cotton 125-160gsm
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Contact Informaiton:
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Director at NetInsight eBusiness Consultancy
13 October 2008 11:09am
Frances,
I have read through your post and the responses that others have sent you, it would seem you find yourself in a position that many online retailers find themselves. Wanting to ensure that the next eCommerce platform you implement is one that will give you the best ROI and is scalable to grow with your company.
What we offer is a different approach to eCommerce providers, we are a team of Consultants who offer 100% impartial & independent advice on all aspects of eCommerce, covering website planning, platform & agency selection, web project management & sales optimisation.
We offer the 1st hours consultation for free with no obligation, so if you would like an informal chat about what to do next please call me.
Regards
Dan Hinchliffe
Tel: 01872 561028
email: dan@net-insight.co.uk
web: www.net-insight.co.uk