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I was given an iPod as a birthday gift a couple of years ago. Immediately, I fell in love with it, and it revolutionised my listening habits. It looks good, it is easy to use, and my particular model stored 5,000 songs, about half of my CD-based music collection.

But my love affair quickly turned sour. Over time, I have experienced various problems with the iPod and iTunes, some of which are listed after the jump.

My iPod is theoretically full (well, it would be, had it not refused to upload 40% of my digital music catalogue), meaning that I need a new one with more storage space, but because of these issues I’m going to wait for Microsoft’s ‘Zune’. I don’t expect MS to fix everything, but I just can’t commit to investing in another overhyped, underperforming device from Apple, beautiful as they are.

So here are my top 10 issues with iPod and iTunes:

1. iTunes = TOO EXPENSIVE. You pay over the odds for albums that often cost way less on Amazon. So if you’re prepared to wait for a CD to arrive then do so, because you get some added extras like packaging and artwork, and hey, it’s a hard copy! Ok, iTunes is great when you just want one or two tunes, but you end up buying full albums. One Cocteau Twins ‘box set’ was being sold on iTunes for twice the price of the much nicer hard copy - £35 vs £18. Outrage!

2. iTunes = TOO SINGLE-MINDED. Variable pricing is needed, especially for the indie labels and the vintage material. Blame the greedhead record execs for this. I can’t come to terms with buying a new tune for the same sort of money that I pay for something that’s already made millions in profit for these swine. Or that the really weird only-me-and-three-others-will-buy-it-this-year song costs the same as some guff from Coldplay. But no, some obscure track costs the same as a new, uberpopular, 15-weeks-at-number-1 hit single.

3. iTunes = UNFORGIVING. It gives you the songs once, and no more, so you have to remember to make backups. You can’t download them again! And yes, I'm bitter, I forgot (procrastinated / relied on my iPod for backup). I just didn’t get to this in time and my rubbish Dell laptop died some months ago, leaving me 40% stuffed (see 6. for calculations). Like I said, buying a CD gives you a hard copy to begin with, so why bother with iTunes? iTunes suggests that you always backup downloads. Presumably you need to buy blank CDs to create ‘hard’ backups. Ridiculous, when you can just buy the CD to begin with, for less money.

4. iTunes = HORRIBLE USER EXPERIENCE. But it’s APPLE! Apple wins design awards! Jonathan Ives! Righty-ho. Well here it is: iTunes sucks, from a usability perspective. I may save my bitchin’ for a whole new post – that’s how sucky it is. Clunky, heavy, image rich, slow, imprecise, poor search functionality, no watchlist. Why can’t I search by label? Why can’t I properly personalise iTunes? How come it doesn’t seem to remember which albums I have bought, when recommending me new material? I think Apple has missed a trick in this area.

5. iPod = CRASH. It’s gonna happen, happens all the time. I’ve stopped shuffling ‘All Songs’, because, like a blind alcoholic driving a bus with faulty brakes, that’s a guaranteed crash-in-waiting. Sometimes it will stick on one song, keep you waiting, then move to another, repeat several times, then play the opening of a song before giving up entirely. This forces you to perform a hard reset. Sometimes, a hard reset will put the iPod in a coma for days, before you see a miraculous recovery, like some kind of gift from the iPod Gods. And you, poor iPod user, remain none the wiser. The brave can opt for a factory reset, but then you need to re-upload all of your songs. Pain! Woe! Craaaash!

6. iPod = FALSE DAWN. Believe me, if you’re a music fan who hasn’t made the switch to digital music players then you don’t know what you’re missing. You will be amazed at how an iPod changes your listening behaviour. But then, it will Let You Down, as technology often does. Sometimes you are told that you MUST update your iPod, even if it is working perfectly, and sometimes this course of action results in Big Problems. Technology is never simple, is it? Figuring out how to make iTunes and iPods work when things go awry is not straightforward. I couldn’t get mine to speak to one another for a number of annoying weeks. When it finally did start talking it only uploaded about 60% of my music catalogue. And then my Dell laptop stopped working, so now I’ve lost 40% of my digital music collection.

7. iPod = UNETHICAL? Apple has been on the receiving end of accusations about using sweatshops in China (The Mail On Sunday pointed the finger last month). Sure, iPods look pretty cool, but would you feel comfortable paying £300 for a device built by “workers, who work 15-hour days but are paid just $50 a month - miserable even by China's standards”?

8. iTunes = PROPRIETARY FILE FORMAT. A ghastly, lock-in strategy from Apple, which doesn’t realise that people don’t like this sort of thing. It will be interesting to see what Microsoft’s Zune offers, in terms of acceptable file formats. We do know that it is “planning to let you download for free any songs you've already bought from the iTunes Music Store”.

9. iPods = QUALITY ISSUES? Not according to VP of iPod Marketing Greg Joswiak, who says the iPod has a 5% first-year failure rate, compared with 30% for many mobile devices. But there have been many reports of breakages, of battery failures, of scratchy surfaces. And hey, 5% of the 8.1m iPods sold in the last three months is 405,000, which is a lot of broken devices.

10. iPod = NOT ZUNE! Yup, MS is going mano e mano with Apple, which currently dominates the digital music space with about 80% market share. This is almost certainly going to fall with the release of Zune, which we also expect will enlarge the overall market. Don’t bet against Microsoft, not when it is this serious. It is planning to pour hundreds of millions of dollars into the Zune rollout, and has a 5-year strategic plan. Serious Commitment. Look at how well MS has done in establishing the Xbox as a competitor to Sony’s PS2. At the time, many thought launching a console was folly. I’m highly likely to give Zune a whirl when it is launched. Especially if it is Wi-Fi-enabled. And, of course, for the 9 above reasons…

Chris Lake

Published 28 July, 2006 by Chris Lake

Chris Lake is CEO at EmpiricalProof, and former Director of Content at Econsultancy. Follow him on Twitter, Google+ or connect via Linkedin.

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T.D. Shadow,

Flame bait.

It boosts your advertising revenue, and I fell for it. I thought it was going to be a fair look at the new Zune. If you hate your iPod so much, why wait for a Zune? The iRiver is a good player.

More Zune info, and less Mac fanboy flamebait.

over 10 years ago

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amadeo puzzo, na

This article sounds like a talking points planted piece by MicroSoft. Characterizing MS as an underdog is a laugh. But this must be all part of those millions that Microsoft is putting into the Zune development and marketing. Seeding friendlies with their talking point "opinions".

over 10 years ago

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Joe Shmo, Someone Co.

Yes, iTunes is expensive, but I believe most users are not buying songs from iTunes on a regular basis. I know I have a catalog of 100+ CDs at home - all of which I can pull tunes from and put them on my iPod (and fairly seamlessly I might add). As far as the iPod crashing - I've never had any problems with this. Just follow what it says on the screen - when it says "Do Not Disconnect", don't disconnect it!! I shuffle my "All Songs" list all the time, and it does a great job of it - it remembers what i've heard so I don't hear the same song twice (unlike my home stereo system which may play the same song twice in a row). And let's face it, Microsoft hasn't had the greatest record when it comes to "out of the box" reliability (can anyone say "patch thursday"?).

In short, this article is totally off base. I would imagine that this user's experience would have been much more positive if their laptop didn't crash & burn, which isn't apple's fault.

over 10 years ago

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Joseph Van Riper, *private*

I own an iPod, and I work with Windows in its various incarnations in the course of my work.

I notice several of the points complain about iTunes, not the iPod. Stop using iTunes if you don't like it, and use a third party tool instead (e.g. YamiPod). I never use iTunes with my iPod, especially since I've had my iPod longer than iTunes has been around. This is not necessarily because I hate iTunes, just that I didn't see the need for something as overblown as iTunes when I could accomplish my needs with third party tools at little to no expense.

That brings us to the only real complaint the author has about the iPod... that it crashes. I've had my iPod for about 4 years now, I think. It's one of the first generation iPods, so it's probably getting on. I've maybe had it lock up on me three times. Perhaps my navigation habits are more in tune with the operating system than the article's author, I dunno, but the several other people I've talked to about the iPod have never complained about it freezing up consistently.

Of course, this is all anecdotal, but I think if the thing were freezing up a lot, it wouldn't have become anywhere near as popular as it has... one of the reasons I went to the iPod was because the 3rd party digital players of the day were truly horrid, and crashed far more than the iPod. I balked at the expense, but decided in the end that it was well worth it.

I had followed this article with the hopes of seeing a comparison of the iPod to the Zune, but the article misses this opportunity entirely. That's a pity, as it changes the tenor of the article from what could have been an insightful bit of journalism to someone's irritated frustrations over perhaps a couple of isolated bad experiences.

One other commenter suggested the article is 'flame bait'. I don't know if I would call it that, but it certainly carries an awful lot of bias without any sort of balance. Oh well... hopefully someone else will write a more useful article along these same lines, but with a credible comparison.

over 10 years ago

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joe smith, no

This is a horrible article. none of the points make sence and to think that MS is so great that they can make anything better than anyone is shear lunacy. The point about the failure rate is totally stupid of course theres a failure rate. then to try and make your point you defeat it with statistics against your point.
You try to make a point about itunes being unforgiving when your "dell" laptop crashes and then you even admit that you were too stupid to back up your data, yet apple is totally to blame for this. When your "hard copy" disk with its pretty artwork gets scratched can you walk in a store and ask for another one off the shelf. Rethink you points and try again.

over 10 years ago

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Joe Average, Average Inc.

So you DON'T think Microsoft will put you in a proprietary format? What is WMV? What is the new one I saw last week that is .iss or something? Whether it be Apple or Microsoft or Sony, they are going to want a file format that is DRM enabled I'm sure.

Listen, the only way to extract yourself from the digital music player mess is to do what I have done: no proprietary players. No Microsoft WMV or ISS, no Sony ATRAC, no Apple formats, no Real Networks formats.

I have a few of each file types but I prefer not to use their media players as they are constantly bombarding me with advertisements. I used to use MusicMatch. I now use (and will keep using) Amarok. It will suggest other similar artists but that is limited to 5-6 names in a small text box in the left column. No flashing, nothing trying to grab my attention.

I refuse to have an iPod (cost, proprietary formats) and I have no interest in ever being a customer of Microsoft again (I LOVE Linux, switched to Mandriva last winter, I'll never go back).

I use a 2 yr old Palm Pilot Zire72 with a batch of SD cards whose capacity is ever climbing and whose price is ever dropping. Our 256MB cards were $10 each. Our 512MB cards were $15 each. The cost of a new CD. Our PalmPilots were used and cost about $125 each. They feature Bluetooth if I really want to transfer a file (music or otherwise) and can feature Wi-Fi if I want to plob the cash down. Furthermore with Linux and Bluetooth there are several projects which allow me to control my PC music player wirelessly with a data display on the Zire or even stream music from the PC to my Palm in the other room via Bluetooth or Wi-Fi or use an old laptop for the same functions.

I see 2GB cards advertised now (we use a combination of 256MB and 512MB cards) and read about a 32GB card coming to a store near you evertually (once the retailers have milked the lower capacity market to death).

I use the free and I believe open-source TCPMP and with all the codecs installed can watch video, listen to all sorts of music formats (not iPod and not WMV). If I wanted to BUY a jukebox program for the Zire I could listen to the proprietary formats too. I VERY seldom use the pre-installed RealOne music player which only plays MP3 and RM files.

Using TCPMP I can watch a 2 hr movie with a screen size that at arm's length is the same as my 24" TV is across the room. Good quality video with 96Kbps audio will fit in 230MB. Excellent video quality if I make a 500MB file with 192Kps audio. The Zire and TCPMP is EXCELLENT for watching TV shows, less satisfactory are widescreen (titlebox) movies which we prefer at home on the TV but which wastes alot of the Zire's screen. Those titles are best viewed on our Magnavox portable DVD player (which plays many of the same file formats that our Zire and computer plays, just make a data disc CD or DVD with the files on it).

When I began my "jukebox" project a few months ago I had just discovered Amarok (Linux jukebox program - EXCELLENT software) and began ripping our CD collection to our computer. After testing several formats I settled on OGG files (.ogg instead of .mp3) with a bitrate set at 192K. Everything sounds great.

A good blance between quality and size.

Just about any media player Linux and non-Linux will play them too (such as my open-source "Media Player Classic" on my Windows computer at work - that is not an MS media player... aka Real Alternative, aka Quicktime Alternative). Another file format candidate was FLAC. Also non-proprietary like OGG.

Yes my carry along collection is smaller. But then I can add more selections than I can listen to in a day of music or podcasts to my 512MB SD card (roughly 400 minutes of 192K music) each night - staging them in Amarok (did I mention how excellent it is?). I don't have time to listen to 1GB of music or podcasts in a normal day. If I think I might need more tunes I can break out the additional 750MB of SD cards I have. Never needed them.

Yeah the iPod has more battery capacity than my PalmPilot but then I'm never more than an hour from home or my desk where I have chargers. Playing music I get 4-5 hrs especially with the display turned off. And I have speakers built in if I want them, and a word processor (Tejpwriter), and a datebook, and a camera, and... Well all sorts of stuff.

I don't need to carry thousands of songs with me. I tried that once moving my whole music collection to work on an external hard drive. All day for a month I had thousands of songs and podcasts to choose from when I really just needed a few hrs of noise along for the ride. It was a case of excess choices.

I hope you find what you are looking for with Zune. From previous experiences with Microsoft I'd stick with Apple's iPod if I was going to use a proprietary music player. We'll stick with .ogg files, TCPMP on a Palm device for the foreseeable future. IF I every where it out, I'll be looking for another Palm device (not Microsoft based is a requirement) or a Linux based PDA device.

over 10 years ago

Chris Lake

Chris Lake, CEO at Empirical Proof

Yep, it reads like I'm pro-MS, so I'll get flamed, but really this is simply about a) my iPod / iTunes not working correctly on a near-constant basis, and b) me being annoyed to the point where I'm not going to be able to upgrade, which is what I'd planned to do.

So I'll most likely try the Zune, or maybe the iRiver. Or maybe, within a month, I'll have recovered my data, migrated it to my new laptop and everything will be hunky dory with Apple again. Who knows?

I know I'm stupid for not backing up the Dell, but that doesn't exempt Apple from some of these issues/complaints. Remember that I started off loving my iPod and I continue to use other Apple products. And I am persevering with the iPod, I just don't have faith in buying a new one.

iPods dominate the market, so MS *is* the underdog in this space, like it or not. And competition is always very good for the consumer, whether you love everything Apple does or you despise Microsoft.

I should have called this article "10 reasons why my iPod pisses me off".

over 10 years ago

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Gordon McG,

I think most of what you say is based on a misunderstanding of the iTunes target. I'm going to address your points one by one.

1. iTunes may indeed be more expensive for items such as box sets. This is not the target of iTunes sales - people buy at iTunes primarily because they were tired of paying the price of an album to get the two or three songs they liked. If having a hard copy is important to you, please do buy the album. Many of us are unconcerned with this.

2. iTunes variable pricing makes sense, and Steve Jobs had to fight record companies to keep it. If tracks could be priced independently, we would be paying proportionally more for the popular tracks, and it is unlikely that we would be paying less for the unpopular ones. Record companies would not let go of the proportionally higher price for unpopular tracks, they would just raise the price on the popular ones.

3. I agree on this point, it would be nice if we could download tracks more than once. This does open up avenues for fraud and music theft (as each download would be tracked individually). Since tracks only allow themselves to be put on a certain number of computers and iPods (one of the keys to the music industry exec's willingness to go to digital transfer) being able to download multiple times would allow songs to be illegally distributed with no regard to this protection mechanism.

4. I agree that Apple has "missed a trick" in the area of user customization - a "personal iTunes" would be nice. However, overall, I am quite pleased with the interface. I don't have a problem with it being "clunky" (even on my old 450mHz G4) and while you describe it's image richness as a problem, I enjoy being able to see the album covers of the albums I look at in the store.

5. I've never had this problem. It may be isolated to just a few iPods (yours included, obviously) and you should contact Apple about the problem.

6. Again, I've never had these problems. My iPod has never stopped working unless I update it, nor has iTunes. They've worked together flawlessly for all of my experience with them. And blaming your loss of music on Dell's computer breaking is appropriate; it is not Apple's fault. It is *always* appropriate to make backups of *anything* on your hard drive, whether it is music or important business documents.

7. I have not thoroughly examined this charge, nor have I seen it widespread. I do not feel qualified to respond to it.

8. I have mixed feelings on this. For one thing, most of the music on my iPod is from my personal, pre-iPod CD collection. It doesn't affect me that much. However, I think it is unfair to use such a "lock-in" strategy. I don't know whether Apple thinks this is really necessary, but I think the iPod could survive on its own merit.

9. You can always cite 400,000 as being a really big number, but that doesn't deal with the issue - iPods are genuinely more reliable than many other portable devices. Here you seem to be grasping for a way to frame your dislike of the iPod without any real fact to back it up. 5% is really, honestly a low failure rate.

10. Apple has made a serious commitment to the iPod. Wanting a Zune simply because it isn't an iPod is not itself an argument against the iPod. If Microsoft has a genuinely good product, I'll consider it. Given Microsoft's track record with everything *but* the Xbox, I'll take some convincing. But I will seriously consider it. And if Microsoft's Zune won't use a proprietary format, why can't we use the music we've already downloaded from iTunes. I don't feel like re-downloading all my music from Microsoft.

over 10 years ago

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Julie Walker, Trane

I enjoyed this article, if for no other reason than to feel I'm not so alone in hating the poor support/help/interface for my iPod. I love the device itself, but the iTunes program just stinks. And after having some bad experiences with 3rd party programs and shareware via work and kids (worms and bots galore) I'm hesitant to use something other than iTunes. I had always heard about how Apple was so much more user friendly than Microsoft, but this, my only experience with Apple has definitely NOT borne that out. The help files and instruction manuals were sketchy, thin on actual information other than the most basic functions, and cryptic.

My first iPod (Mini) died, and not from disconnecting when I wasn't supposed to, etc. -I was ever so careful NOT to do anything like that (you can screw up your jump drives that way too, btw), it just quit. I was so upset. I got another one, and in the NEW iPod instruction manual was a handy little page about rebooting/resetting your iPod using the lock on/off, hold the menu and center button down for some seconds. Holy cow! Maybe this would work on the old one! It did, and all my music, menus, playlists were right where I left them. But this thing had been deader than a doornail, and even tech support ($$) could not come up with this simple fix over the phone.

Why do I have to do a 15 step process to translate my playlists to comma delimited or other BS text format and back again to share them between my iPods and my home and work computers? Why can't I just click and drag it, if this is after all, the most user-friendly company on the planet? I love my iPod, but hate iTunes. recommendations for those replacement programs are welcome.

Julesagain

over 10 years ago

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Joseph A Golden, BJ Consultants, LLC

I agrree, flamebait. So I'll bait back. Must be technically challenged.
1 - $.99 for a song is too much? Cheap SOB
2 - Variable pricing? - NO, again $.99 is reasonable
3 - Unforgiving. Marginal point. Not backing up computer files is just lazy, period. Must be of the current culture that thinks it's everbodys job but theirs to take care of themselves. Lazy AND whiny.
4 - Horrible User Experience - I'd like a few more search options myself but works for me.
5 - iPod=Crash - oh, like his Dell laptop. Electronics are not fail safe. "A hard reset puts the iPod in a coma for days" WHAT? Is he wearing a tinfoil hat?. In general, see point 3 above.
6 - False Dawn - Could't talk to each other for weeks?! Duh! Also, his POS Dell crashes but it's the iPods fault he lost 40% of his collection. Again please refer to point 3 above.
7 - Unethical - We'll see. No one likes a winner. Cheap overseas labor is the norm for many years.
8 - Proprietary File Format - So, don't like it don't use it or convert to mp3. Apparently he doesn't know MS has now intimateds the Zune will use one also. And how is the FREE DOWNLOAD ofpreviously iTunes purchased songs going to work, hmm? They going to take your word for it? Going to have to pony up all those reciepts Apple sends you? Going to search your HD and report it back to MS? Last thing I want is some POS MS software searching my HD and sending out over the net. Not with all the security holes their software has.
9- Quality issues - Hey, nobody likes it when something breaks down. We've gotten too comfortable with all our electronics. But they all have th potential for failure. BUT in 20 years of using Macs and Aple products, I've only had to recover the HD twice-not bad. My iPods? No problems there and they get dropped, wet, sat on (and I come in at just under 300 Lb US) thrown around the car. Some people just aren't meant to have nice things.
10- iPod not Zune! - a) Money always begets money. b) Hey, if this guy can't figure out how to connect his iPod so it works with his computer, he'll never figure out Wi-Fi

over 10 years ago

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Allison McIntyre, student at University of Michigan

So your "microsoft" laptop crashes, likely worth a few thousand dollars.. and your first reaction is to buy a microsoft mp3 player? I really don't follow your logic.

over 10 years ago

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Erick Breneman, Mech Eng at Seakr

"And if Microsoft's Zune won't use a proprietary format, why can't we use the music we've already downloaded from iTunes. I don't feel like re-downloading all my music from Microsoft."
~Gordon McG

Why downlaod again? Because the iTunes songs are DRM'd.

To the other post, how will they know your apple songs? I'm assuming they'll have to search your PC for .aac (I think that's apples extension) and then can also search the properties of those songs, as they all have text in the properties which is some info about the DRM... I wonder if that could be tricked out in some way? Like make a lot of text files with .aac extension...I'm sure they have some idea/way to figure it out.

Speaking of DRM, I dispise it, we have one iPod, a PSP, XBOX360, two cell phones and want to play the song in our cars on CD...so, we burn everything to a CD and immediately re-rip it onto the computer and delete the apple version...wasted space to have twice, and since they don't let you re-download... So, we end up with everything backed up on CD, and we back up our hard-drive monthly or more. Since we don't buy much music on a monthly basis we're safe. Is that a lot of work? Yeah, sure, but then we can listen to our music when/where/how we want to, so it's worth it.

Speaking of crashes, mac user said lost 2 HDs in 15 years....I've lost ONE in the same timeframe using windows. I lost my CD collection, as I had never really backed up my hard-drive, because I've always gotten new PCs and transferred everything over before anything had died...well, now we've gotten smart and have an external drive 2X the size of the main drive. That's (hard-drive crashing) not apple, or microsoft, that's seagate, western digital, etc...the hard-drive manufacturers. And many drive can be saved, for a price...

Speaking of XBOX360, microsoft and hardware...the one person says something about MS products (up til the XBOX, all products had been software), being miserable failures, "except the XBOX". Which is hardware...so why would/should someone trust MS when it comes to a new hardware product? Well, because the one they did build has performed reasonably well. I waited for the XBOX360, never picked up an XBOX, based more on games and controllers, etc....the 360 alleviated all of that. They had their problems with faulty power supplies, etc...my friend had a defective unit but mines been perfect and we bought on the same night ("second launch" on November 18th I think). Seeing how MS has integrated the hardware with the software on the XBOX MAKES me MORE interested in the Zune. I think Apple has done fairly well with the iPod, but it's not my style...I think the Zune will have better "flair" in the software and be an overall better experience, and again, that comes from an XBOX 360 user...whom also owns a PS2, PSP, gamecube and an iPod (wifes)...

So, why'll I'll agree when Chris says he should retitle the article, I also agree with some of his points and feel the Zune is definitely worth a look...I haven't been impressed with other DAPs. I've had one other an older Bantam BA350, which I loved back then... I will likely wait however for something more akin to the PSP, something with a 16:9 aspect screen and will play some games as well....my guess is that would be nearer to the 2007 holiday season...what some people were guessing as the xBoy...will be a gaming version of the Zune...then I'll really be interested...and will likely continue my method of burning and re-ripping all songs to strip DRM...please have a lossless version of audio download though, please!

over 10 years ago

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Xoineg Chamble,

I just wanted to ask if this article is part of Microsoft’s strategy to create publicity for Zune? Does this website get pay to post this crap?

First, the iPod is an excellent product and beats all those crappy and cheap MP3 players out there. If you like buying cheap hardware and/or don’t know how to use a computer why even get and mp3 player? Get a Discman or a tape player.

Microsoft is always trying to get into every market where they see an opportunity for them to use their money to bully competitors out. They should stick to getting an OS that works and is secure before they create an iPod look a like that will probably be made in China as well and under the same conditions as the iPod. Why would anyone buy the Zune? They will probably try to pack so much into it will be a hideous device that only GEEKS will be able to use to its full capabilities. I have had every iPod that has ever come out and yes while the products are not as cheap as others they offer simplicity and superb quality. I had only one iPod that failed and I took it to the apple store in Soho, NY and they actually gave a new one, no questions asked. Try that with other devices and you will probably have to return it to the company and wait weeks to get something back. Sorry, but this seems so inaccurate and fishy that who ever wrote this article is probably getting a cut from M$ hehehe

over 10 years ago

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David Edwards,

Joseph Van Riper--

You say you don't use iTunes and have had your iPod longer than iTunes has been available. If you're using Windoze, that's true, but iTunes was first available on January 9, 2001, and the first iPod available on October 23, 2001.

over 10 years ago

Chris Lake

Chris Lake, CEO at Empirical Proof

Thanks for all the feedback. I'll go through a few points one by one...

Gordon
- I'm a huge fan of Steve Jobs. I'm not so fond of the record moguls. I'm annoyed at myself for not backing up the music library, but had the iPod accepted 100% of my library (rather than 60%) then I wouldn't have a problem. Like you, 95%+ of my music is pre-iTunes CDs. As is, I cannot download my purchases again from iTunes, which is what I need back - I can rip the other stuff again. I don't agree with this one-time download only - would that be any significant cost to Apple? (PS - I know they earn virtually nothing from selling major label tunes, and no more margin squeezing is needed)
- I know 5% seems reasonable, but not when you are part of that 5%. Then it is totally unreasonable (I'm overreacting btw, but you know what I mean - it is just about my personal experience). Also, I get gadgets online normally, so it is a pain in the ass to take the time out to see my local Apple Store representative. It is a little extra, totally unwanted, hassle to have to deal with.
- I don't want a Zune because it isn't an iPod. I just don't want to give Apple more money for another potentially shitty experience. It's a shame it turned out this way, and I might yet work it out with iTunes. I will still have had these experiences and hassles, and I think Apple can greatly improve the existing service.

Julie
- iTunes could be better, and there's little doubt that it will get better. I think it could have been improved more rapidly over the past two years (since I've used it), but it seems pretty much the same. I know other people that have had problems with the hardware. And others that have had no problems at all. I guess we were unlucky...

Joseph
- You say flamebait I say fact. Personal experience, totally accurate, I'm not particularly interested in annoying Appleheads for the hell of it.
- In the UK we pay 79p per song, or about $1.45. Why is that? And would you pay almost twice the current price per tune? If that price point is reasonable to you then fair enough. I think it is a bit steep for a one-time download, with no packaging, no artwork, no high street distribution chain, no booklet, no hard materials, no Parental Guidance sticker, etc etc. A one-time download that I'm expected to my spend time and more money on to save it on a blank CD, if I want a hard copy.
- I admitted stupidity in not backing up my music. Everything else was stored elsewhere, but I hadn't done my iTunes library at that point. I sort of figured that I had two versions anyhow - one library on the Dell, and one on the iPod.
- The iPod/iTunes problems obviously happened before the Dell's power problem occured. I was advised to download the latest versions of iTunes and the iPod Updater. After that, and I assume this is a hardware issue, my iPod only sucked up 60% of my library. Then the Dell broke. As such, my iPod should have been a backup, but I only got 60%.
- "Electronics are not failsafe". I know. Does that mean I have to be happy and Zen-like when they go wrong? I'm slightly disappointed by the iPod/iTunes experience. It could be better, and if it was I'd upgrade my iPod. As is, I tend to change brands when products fail me (or when I fail them). I won't ever buy Dell again. I probably will buy Apple again.

Allison
- The crash is a Dell motherboard failure, according to Dell. Does that make it an explicit MS problem? I don't know - I just associate it with the Dell hardware.
- Let's recap. An excellent brand experience with Apple (read the first para again) turned sour in the past six months. My decision to look at getting a Zune (and I'll check out the iRiver too) is related to a) an *informed opinion* about Apple's overall service and the iPod hardware, and b) less about Microsoft - it is simply another option and since they're aiming squarely at Apple I reckon it could be a good deal for me, as a consumer.
- My logic is simple: my iPod/iTunes experience was great for the first year, but turned poor in year two. That's enough to make me look at other options, including whatever MS releases. I used to own a rubbish iMac, in the late-90s. That didn't stop me trying a different Apple product.

Erick
- I should have used a different title for the article. It is lame to change it now - I can understand why it is getting under the skin of the Apple evangelists. But if I'd wrote 10 positives about the Zune that will make me switch then I'd still be up for a flaming. The article simply reflects the recent brand experience I've had, focusing on the negatives, which have prompted me to consider this switch (which might yet turn out to be a dumb move). I've said enough positives and recommended the iPod to enough people over the years, and I bought one as a present less than a month ago, so this is fair game by my reckoning.

Xoineg
- I'm not affiliated with MS in any way but if they want to send me a fat bag of cash for being down on Apple then that's perfectly fine by me. It ain't gonna happen. I'll buy a Macbook if it does.
- You say the iPod is excellent. That's how it starts out. I say it turned shitty - for me - in under two years. Fact. The easiest option would be to get a better iPod with more storage. That's the lowest hanging fruit. That's what I had in mind. But the negatives have outweighed the positives and I'm going to look elsewhere, at the Zune, at the iRiver, at others.
- You've bought EVERY single model of iPod? I think we have very different expectations of the lifetime of gadgets.

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Frankly, I do not believe a word of your post.

First) I have had multiiple iPods and have bought them for about 5 members of my family over the last 3 years. There have been NO PROBLEMS WITH ANY OF THEM.

Second) I believe that iTunes is undoubtedly the best music management software that has ever been offered for the personal computer, hands down. Windows Media Player has always been marginally better than Real Player for music only due to the advertisements...Media Player has the worst user experience.

Third) I am obviously an iPod fan. However, I welcome Microsoft to the Market as competition is a great catalyst for better products and now there might finally be a product that is a worthy competitor. Consider IE: A complete peice of crap that Microsoft is finally fixing due to outside competition. I do not want to see iPod become like IE 6 due to a lack of competition.

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Gordon McG,

After reading the response to my comments, I think I understand the author's point of view a bit better. "Overreacting" is certainly accurate, and the admission that the post's title does not accurately portray it's contents is welcomed. However, I still feel that most of my responses are valid. The re-downloading issue is rooted in sound business practices by Apple, and the iTMS would likely not exist without this protection. While it is regrettable that we cannot re-download (I have been frustrated in this way several times) I still believe that the iTMS service is worth the inconvenience of needing to back up those songs which we download. I, for one, would not want to be stuck in the days of having to buy an album for three songs, or resorting to piracy and facing criminal charges.

Also, I take back my comment about Microsoft not allowing us to use iTMS purchases on the Zume - this is indeed Apple's fault.

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jiri novak, na

interesting reading..... I registered only to respond to john noonan.

Seriously John, do you really think iTunes is the best thing out there? You, who profile youself as LINUX guy? How many times a day are you taking sleeping pills?

Thanks god, there is anapod out there, I didn't have to install any Apple software to my lovely Windows Media Edition - I can play all my music stored in iPod on my TV !! Can you do it with iTunes?

jiri

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Chris Last, Comp

I find your sentiments genuine, if misdirected. I work in the online digital music industry and I've been involved in the negotiation of contracts with the major music labels. Your points:

1. Price... I know what the labels charge Apple. Apple make pennies per song. If you think MS is going to be cheaper, you're wrong (although they can certainly subsidize the price and lose money for much longer than any other company in the market). MS may vary the model, offer variable/tiered pricing and/or subsriptions but overall the cost will end up very similar. Price won't change until the labels come down on the approx. 75% they take.

2. Flat Rate Pricing... I'm a fan of the flat rate myself. Simpler. If you think variable pricing will mean the "swine" give up something, again, you are sadly mistaken. They will give up nothing. You'd be surprised at how much of what people think is Apple's decision is based purely on the labels absolute inability to see past there own misguided greed.

3. Backups... well, blaming Apple because you didn't back up your data is a bit disingenous. Services that allow you to download a track more than once are rare, but this is a new worl and your desire is not without merit. Technically Apple knows exactly what tracks you've purchased so they could probably implement somehting like this (and it wouldn't surprise me if they did). I think they are moving so fast they aren't really focused on such things at the moment. I think a small fee is reasonable. believe it or not, this sort of service will require hardcore negotiations with, guess who? The labels. They'd like to see you buy the songs again. There is much more complex than its seems. What about music they no longer sell? I'm not confident that MS will give you such freedom (remember Zune doesn't exists yet... its a marketing concept).

4. iTunes... I won't delve into this too much but I can certainly see a LOT of room for improvement here. Yet, it still remains to be seen if MS can better iTunes. I think they (Apple) were caught a bit unprepared at the scale of their own success. Look how video is such an after thought. I expect to see a major MAJOR upgrade maybe around or with the 10.5 OS release.

5. Crash... My older iPod had some problems but it was always easy to recover. Newer ones have no problems. I think this point may be unique to you.

6. False Dawn... Well sounds like the iPod is not the only problem you were experiencing. I'm not so sure your iPod problems couldn't have been caused by the failure of your laptop (corruption of some kind). Of course, I can't substantiate that and the iPod is not flawless.

7. Unethical... The extreme nature of the accusations you are referring to have since been refuted. Of course, iPod are made by people how get paid appallingly little for their trouble by 1st world standards but this is not unique to the iPod and certainly will be very similar for MS. Of course the implication that you would chose MS for ethical reasons is quite humorous.

8. Lock-in... Well, yes Apple dominates thet market. It's not so much about the file format as it is about DRM. Yes, I'd love to see DRM go away. This reality is not something that Apple created although they have been very successful. The music labels will NOT license any content without DRM. I've tried to make the case to several execs but they will not budge. Apple's DRM is actually quite friendly (as DRM goes). It is also not widely acknowledged that FairPlay (or something like it) is used by other companies without Apple's permission (Real Networks, among others). Any major online music store that really wanted to could do this. They haven't. In fact MS could as well. MS will have DRM. It will be specific to their store and hardware. You will be locked to a different vendor.

9. Quality... Huh? How can you say 5% is good and then not good. If 5% is substantially better than industry rates, what do you want? Do you expect MS to better the 5% rate? Do you expect any other dvice majer to better the 5% rate?

10. Not Zune... Can't argue that. Although I wouldn't hold my breathe on how fast MS takes share away. Apple will not be standing still. Yes, MS will try to buy their way into another space and I'm sure they have a plan. Yes, the Xbox, which may start making money NEXT August. They do have a market though. The Wi-Fi does sound interesting but it has been reported that it won't quite work like, well, I expected. It seemed fairly limited. And again, it doesn't exist yet.

Many of your arguements are not directly related to the iPod. Zune and other entries will suffer many of the same problems. I'm sure Zune will be interesting and it should benefit from being able to analyze Apple's platform and how to improve upon it (although MS often has this opportunity and fails to improve user experience... they often onlt succed by sheer market mass). I think a lot of people forget that this industry didn't really exist until Apple succeded and its very likely they (Apple) didn't truly understand where they were going to be in a few short years (they built their software/hardware platform conceptually before they saw how it all might work out). We have yet to truly see version 2.

Of course, none of this will change your frustration. Good luck.

over 10 years ago

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El Copy, elcopy

This article is rubbish. All the points are subjective and looks more like bitching about the iPod than saying why the Zune really matters. How much Microsoft is paying you, dude?

over 10 years ago

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john noonan, government programmer/it manager at qss

This is a reply to jiri novak.

I am happy that you can play your music on your TV. I can too, congrats. I actually bought a Macintosh simply because I thought that iTunes (not the store, I could care less about that and have never bought a song from it) was simply the most user friendly and elegant software on my Windows box. Also, since I consider myself a "Linux/Unix" guy, a Macintosh was the ultimate system. A gui that is at least as good as Windows with Unix underneath.

So yes, I absolutely stand by what I said before, iTunes is the best music management software (at least that I have used) hands down.

Also, I think Windows Explorer is a poor interface design and much prefer the Vista beta.

over 10 years ago

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Chuck Norris, Kick ass

I once tried to use windows media player, and spent one entire day making files and shit. In iTunes, it took me half an hour. Microsoft's music management is a joke.

over 10 years ago

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Chuck Norris, Kick ass

And have you ever though of that you are on a windows computer, so they are trying to make iTunes look bad. Microsoft has so much shit in place on my PC, that iTunes takes almost 30 sec just to start, but it is worth it.

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remove remove, Assistant to the Director at SBT

I thought your 10 reasons were interesting but missed the main reasons why people shouldn't buy an Ipod. Try Napster and you will understand. Or Even better try Napster to Go and trust me, YOU WILL NEVER WANT TO GO BACK TO AN IPOD.

1. Subscription: If you like music, you will love having a subscription where you can download as much as you want, listen to new music and never pay a penny more than your monthly subscription. I have never listen to so much diverse music in my life since I have Napster. It is simply superb. Ok 10 pound might be a lot of money per months for some, but personally, it drives me crazy to listen to a song for 30 sec and think OK I like it but do I like it enough to pay 70 cent for it? Anyway Napster lights give you the same as Itunes if you decide not to take a subscription.

2. DRM: You can put downloaded music on up to 3 computers and 3 MP3 players (if you have napster to go).

3. Backup: Ha, again no need, just open Napster on you new machine, click synchronize library and automatically all your music is downloaded to your hard drive.

4. Streaming: I personally stream most of my music, why bother downloading music you will listen 3 times in your life and clog your hard drive...

5. Choice: Currently on the market, I believe you can buy 5 types of IPOD, check out the number of MP3 players that are compatible with MS DRM (playsforsure.com). Even My phone is compatible.. In a year or two when Windows Mobile will have taken over Blackberry, you will have hundreds of Phones/MP3 players that will be compatible, hundreds of PDAs are already by the way. Check out the latest Creative, Iriver; Archos, Sumsung..... and tell me they have anything to envy the IPOD. Seriously, some even read Divx without the need to convert them (try putting a video on an IPOD and you will understand what I mean).

6. By the way, Napster has different prices depending on the label and the Artist.

So ye, you can wait for Zune and its community function, but if you are looking for an IPOD replacement, it’s already here, it’s SUPERB.

over 10 years ago

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Zune MAX, Zune MAX Inc

Seems like a lot of emotional crap. Must be summer time and the kids are bored. If you analyze the prospects Microsoft should do well. There is no competition to Apple and it will take big cash to offer a fight. The Ipod is popular because its cool and the Zune will have too be cooler.

These smaller companeis had a chance and never produced they should work on developing a high performance niche device for the tech weenies if they want to compete in the market. Zune will give the Ipod a run for it's money.

You can see more reason with this story here. http://www.zunemax.com

I discuss the bigger picture of thisportable music player and how Microsoft will stop at njothing to succeed with the Zune. Its another step in the Live ANywhere initiative and key to the interoperability of the package of services.

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Carlton Lee,

1. I won't buy any of these devices and doubt that Microsoft will make any appreciable amount from their iPod killer. I have a hand phone and ideally it should be able to play any tunes I need. I think the next real tune player will be a Nokia or Motorola or etc. Microsoft to late.... Apple good while you had it. (Maybe Apple should be making tune playing hand phones instead.)

2. DRM no problem. I will not buy as long as I don't have the freedom to back up and or play on any device of my choosing. In practical terms that means yes I haven't bought any DVD movies for the last two years. If you all refused to buy music with the types of restrictions that come with iPods and demanded freedom to play the music you purchased when and where you wished, (one copy at a time.), then there would be no DRM.

Lets consider 20 movies normally purchased per year, two years at $20-$75 per movie. Hey the movie industry has lost between $1000 and $3000 in the last two years because I've not been purchasing their movies. Give me freedom or I'll keep my money. Join me and upset the media industries.

over 10 years ago

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Not An Ipod Clone, fsdfa

I think its hilarious that every time any article comes up that is "anti-ipod" the KGB ipod army comes in and whines and complains. its one guy's opinion of how something doesnt work. i have napster and i had a zen but its busted and i must say that my uncle has itunes and stuff and whenever were there he buys a song, that is the itunes market, people who download like 5 songs. but the fact is, if all these stupid ipod people are so "into music" youd for sure get napster considering you can download unlimited for 1 flat rate. i think of my music collection and id have to be paying over 1500$ for it when i already have the music on vinyl *which is obviously not PC convertable*.there are devices just as cheap as ipod who do the same thing but allow for a plethora of compatability. but of course if your on your mac OS stuff then yet again you are limited to the confines of mac-flashy-sleek-do nothing software. just keep telling yourself that your creative and trendy and 18 years old and hate "M$" but while steve jobs will be sitting in his mansion plotting how to create more mindless marketing dribble for you suckers to buy, bill gates will be donating all of his time to working in god knows where donating a large percentage of his cash to charity.

over 10 years ago

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Chad Leigh, self

Zune suffers from all the same faults as listed for the iPod. This is a dumb article. Hopefully their business advice given by these folks is better than this. (I am not an iPod owner myself).

over 10 years ago

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Basement Science Building, From The

Zune isn't available. You won't know what it is till it is shipped. This is all supposition. Microsoft's announcements and "leaks" are all advertizing puffery.

I know what I am writing is current actuality and to me is redundant. It just seems to me that everthing posted so far is assuming Zune to be something. It isn't anything at all until we can buy it. How long ago was Microsoft Vista announced? Don't assume that Zune is anything different till you get one.

over 10 years ago

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jim saunders, technip

#10. "Look at how well MS has done in establishing the Xbox as a competitor to Sony’s PS2."

Yesterday (July 27) Robbie Bach, president of Microsoft's entertainment and devices division, forecast another year of losses at its mobile phone, games and device business before turning a profit in the business year ending June 30, 2008.

Microsoft said investments for its new "Zune" media player and another year of losses at its Xbox game unit will continue to weigh on the entertainment and devices unit's earnings this year. The division posted a loss last year.

Bach also said Microsoft sees its mobile smartphones and devices running its Windows mobile operating system gaining market share from Research In Motion Ltd's (RIGHTO) Blackberry.

There is no innovation at Microsoft, which is spending the earnings from their monopolistic business segments to catch up with the Sony Play Station, Apple iPod, and RIM Blackberry. Somehow this does not seem to be a good use of the stockholders' money. It will be difficult for Microsoft to bundle these products with the Windows Vista, so they will not knock off the competition as easily as they did with Internet Explorer.

over 10 years ago

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Charles Silverman,

You'll swap already without seeing the mythical Zune? The assumption that Zune has to be better is flawed. Especially with Microsoft and its track record for not getting things right of late, or rather, out of late, this is more of a wait and see.

Zune's proprietary format doesn't have anything to do with paying the music companies to exchange iTunes formatted music in your collection with Zune's. We don't know how restrictive Zune's format will be but thinking about everything else that MS does, why do you really think it will be less restrictive than iTunes?

I have several iPods and continue to be amazed with the device and its integration with iTunes. As to Apple's award winning designs and usability, my Windows friends frequently get Mac and iPod envy.

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By the way, a few refutes here.

1) The WMA DRM eats battery about 20% quicker than does Apple's Fairplay.
2) Most users do not want to "rent" the latest top 10 hits, thus a lot of us do not care about Napster.
3) Regardless of who likes it or not, iPod set the standard for this market based off of one thing and one thing only: Superior Products (after Apple developed the first decent players there have been a lot of good clones).
4) My video iPod has no issues playing videos (including the DVDs that I have ripped onto it).
5) The iTunes player is much easier to use and has more features than Windows Media Player.

My final thing that I would like to state:
I am sick of zealots. MS versus Apple starts to sound like Muslims versus Christians (I am just wondering which side is going to start wearing C4). The only thing that I would like to see Apple change with iPod (I am an Apple guy) is to open up the DRM (I believe in open standards). They are starting to remind me of Microsoft and Office.

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jiri novak, na

john, with all the respect. What the author and few other folks try to show here to all MAC lovers, and I'm sorry but as LINUX guy you should have it in your blood, is the free choice. That's exactly what iPod users do not have.

I can connect my Sony MP3 cell phone to my PC and use any music tool I want, because it shows as additional drive and I can simply copy all songs there. You don't have the choice with iPod. You have to use iTunes (or some crack tool and hope Apple won't block it).

nobody out there can sell songs for iPod, because Apple does not open the licence. You cannot play songs you buy from Apple store on other mp3 player - again Apple does not allow others to implement it.

Microsoft has it's own issues, but at least they share their format with others. Apple does not.

yes, you say iTunes is good tool, but does Apple give you a choice to pick something else if you have iPod? I don't think so.... Sony does, iRiver does, Creative does, ... I hope Microsoft will do as well.

p.s. to user who said that iTunes load on PC in 30 seconds because of Microsoft Windows issues.... yes, of course it's Microsoft fault that Apple product does not load in 5 seconds. Well if you would have iRiver or Zen, you would have a choice to pick tool what loads in 5 seconds.

over 10 years ago

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Not An Ipod Clone, fsdfa

umm you dont have to "rent" the music on napster. you can sign up for a free trial and use tunebite which records from a media player and makes an ogg mp3 or wma copy for your hard drive with no strings attached. the music is yours. but i actually subscribe so its not like im using limewire.

over 10 years ago

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Michael Purves, Home

I have read through the pros and cons of the ipod and this is my response. I hate the ipods for the guise of legal music downloading. I have six kids, three of them own ipods, and this has created a time-consuming nightmare for managing their music, and too much time with the tech line to try to help resolve some of these issues. My kids that have Zen's, Sansa's, and Rio's have been easy. I have been a music lover for 40 years now, and I have gone through all the types of music formats available through the years. The mp3 revolutionized the way we can listen to music. For me, I like music that is not mainstream, and the record idustry of america does not work for me. They think that everyone who listens to music only wants to hear what they want us to hear. So this leads me to why I love mp3's. I can now put my music on my mp3 player (Creative Zen is my choice)
and listen to music and never hear a commercial again.
As for my comments on the legality of sharing music, I do not like the fact that I have purchased music for years, and I have purchased the same artists, same albums, via 4 track, (does anyone remember these?) 8 track, Cassette, LP's, 45's, and now CD's. Of all the music I have bought and replaced every time the way we play our music has changed, the record industry has done everything in its power to try to stop me as the consumer to record my own music. Now they are trying to confuse the public by saying that mp3s should not be free. I would agree with this thinking if once I bought an album, lets say Frijid Pinks debut album, then I purchased the right to listen to all of the songs on that album for as long as I want. If I get sick of this album should I go to jail if I give it to someone else? I think not. But Apple caved to the Record Idustry of America and made it difficult to share music. If everyone would take a look at this situation for what it is, and that is the people who make records want to make it a world where you can't listen to any music unless they give you permission. The comments about people not liking ipods because of not being able to "Legally" download music is pathetic. I want to raise some awareness here that is simple, like the person who lost their music because of a computer crash, the People selling us the music should sell it to us, register that we bought the music, and then if anything happens, computer crash, theft of cd's etc., the change in music format, they could replace any music that we might have lost somehow, for free, after all didn't we purchase it? But then this would require them to spend a little time with something that wont make them billions of dollars and what use would that be to them. When I think back on how many albums I purchased, and repeated with every new format for music, (4 Track, 8 Track, Cassete, CD), it amazes me of the amount of money I have spent, and the amount of music that has never been available on the new formats.
I am sorry to say that I agree with the comments, buy the mp3 player that will fill your needs. I say buy ones that are not pushed by heavy promotions, and search for ones that will do what you want, even if that is sharing music with others. If the latter is the case ipod makes it more difficult to do that. I wish that I could find all of the music that I have lost over the years, that have never been replaced by the music industry, but rather by me searching through second hand stores, used record shops, etc. (Wait, is this illegal too? If so then eventually will it lead to us never being able to sell or give away anything we have purchsed? Let's hope the automobile industry doesn't follow the music industry.) Ok I am not a dope, I understand the thought of an album released today, on the internet today and no money spent by billions of people who didn't purchase it. Too bad we can't download a new car from the internet.
I hope people will read this and start thinking and maybe push the music industry into a corner and let them know we are sick of how they try to control what, and how we listen to music. Most of the music I love I have had given to me to listen to by freinds, by tape etc. I never heard them on the Radio. So from the sharing came me buying the music that I had shared to me from others. If I want to take my whole library to my freinds house now I can without loading a truck with the over 2000, albums, 2500 cd's, that I own. This is great.

over 10 years ago

Jos Merideth

Jos Merideth, Marketing Manager at Econsultancy

Not An iPod Clone: Have a look at this and enjoy that month of sitting in your living room doing nothing but listening (while converting to digital, of course) to that beautiful old vinyl.

Analogue to Digital
http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/software/homereference/0,39024150,10002388,00.htm

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Jack smith

get a Zune, i have one, imported fom the US. Great, payed £100 for it. Ditched my shite ipod instantly. Zune market place isn't up and running in UK yet, but when it is I'm gonna show Apple how much I hate them. Long Live Microsoft!!!

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veggiedude

Apple does NOT use proprietary format. They use an open format known as MPEG-4 (AAC). It is Microsoft that uses their own proprietary format. Lets get that straight.

What confuses you is the DRM. Apple has its own DRM as does MS. Steve Jobs has publicly said he is against the use of DRM, but Apple is forced to use it. Go complain to the music companies.

Your other gripes are just as ignorantly based, so I won't comment any further.

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